I think these may not be opposing points, but Eliot was extremely aware
of the condition of Europe, not least from reading Hesse while at Lauzanne
and being very impressed with it.

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Eliot himself (in "Tradition and the Individual Talent") thought that
references to earlier works in a present work changes the meaning of the
earlier work.  Your question has to be read, I believe, in light of that:
no one who knows TWL can read this passage in the Satyricon without
shading it in tones of the decay of Europe after WWI.

J. P. Earls, OSB
St. John' University
Collegeville, MN  56321

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Subject: Re: TWL epigraph (TWL, not capitalism)

Steve to Rickard:

How do you account for using a passage with this tone if TSE was simply
trying to convey the pain of a person's suffering?

-- Steve --