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Dear Frances,


The meaning of the "deception of the thrush" is certainly bound to the =
meaning we give to "our first world":
  Through the first gate
  Into our first world, shall we follow=20
  The deception of the thrush?
In the poem, this "first world" is linked to the "rose-garden", which is =
given by memory:
  Footfalls echo in the memory
  Down the passage which we did not take
  Towards the door we never opened
  Into the rose-garden
Everything in this garden is elusive, marked by instability. The =
inhabitants are [like distant] "echoes" (v.19); they move "without =
pressure, over the dead leaves" (v.26). There is "music hidden in the =
shrubbery", but its "unheard" (v.29). The visual experience is that of =
an "eyebeam" crossing "unseen". The evidence of it? Well, "the roses had =
the look of flowers that are looked at"... In the pool, for a brief =
moment, the narrator could see the faces of the "inhabitants" reflected =
on the water, but
  Then a cloud passed, and the pool was empty.
Then a bird (the thrush? I guess another one. the thrush sings a =
two-note motive: "find them, find them". this bird sings a repeated =
single note: "go, go, go". but don't trust me. we don't have thrushes =
down here. I've never heard one.) comes to expel the visitor, since =20
  human kind
  Cannot bear very much reality
So the elusive experience in the garden is (oddly enough) not only real, =
but supremely real: it is "too much" real for human beings. We are not =
presented here to an ordinary kind of mnemonic experience. What is =
involved is not an ordinary scene of life. But what is it?=20
In my opinion the rose garden is a twofold symbol. A personal and a =
cosmic symbol at the same time.
First of all, it is the symbol of the World as we see it for the first =
time. Not a part of the world - say, a face, a landscape, a sound - but =
the World as such. Life. Human existence. Being in front of something. =
Being inside the river of time. We are always inside it, but distracted =
of it. Our time is the time of the clocks, "spatialized", with landmarks =
put before and after: what I did yesterday, what I'll do tomorrow. Time =
future of our expectations, time past of our remembrances, and the =
merely possible time of our imagination (what could have been, but was =
not). But all these "times" are given in the "specious present" =
presenting itself in the flow of life. This is the time we "find" when =
we come into existence [in a certain sense, at every single moment]. The =
time of an infant. The time of our "first world".
I think the rose-garden is also the symbol of a "cosmic beginning", =
where everything that exist "was" ["Is"] potentially contained in the =
atemporal Love of God. But to support this reading, I would have to use =
different passages of the poem, and my letter is growing too long.=20
What do you think?

Cheers

Jo=E3o

P.S.: Does any of you know of some text about the relation between the =
Quartets and Augustine? Thanks.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Frances Rushworth=20
  To: [log in to unmask]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 8:22 PM
  Subject: deception of the thrush


  sugeknight wrote 'But heres my theory: The DOTT [deception of the =
thrush] is the belief that a person can find happiness in this life.'

  I read it only slightly differently, but a spot more ?optimistically, =
that the pursuit of happiness is futile, whether through memory or as a =
future goal.  Kant was not the first to observe 'that the more a =
cultivated reason concerns itself with the aim of enjoying life and =
happiness, the farther does man get away from true contentment.'  I =
think contentment is something one can strive for, and happiness can =
happen when you aren't looking.  If you really want to suffer, let love =
seize you.

  cheers,
  Fran

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Frances,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The meaning of the "deception of the =
thrush" is=20
certainly bound to the meaning we give to "our first =
world":</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Through the first gate</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Into our first world, shall we follow =

  </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The deception of the=20
thrush?</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In the poem, this "first =
world" is linked=20
to the "rose-garden", which is given by memory:</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Footfalls echo in the =
memory</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Down the passage which we =
did not=20
  take</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Towards the door we never=20
  opened</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Into the=20
rose-garden</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Everything in this garden =
is&nbsp;elusive,=20
marked by instability. The inhabitants are [like distant] "echoes" =
(v.19); they=20
move "without pressure, over the dead leaves" (v.26). There is "music =
hidden in=20
the shrubbery", but its "unheard" (v.29). The visual experience is that =
of an=20
"eyebeam" crossing "unseen". The evidence of it? Well, "the roses had =
the look=20
of flowers that are looked at"... In the pool, for a brief moment, the =
narrator=20
could see the faces of the "inhabitants" reflected&nbsp;on the water,=20
but</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Then a cloud passed, and =
the pool was=20
  empty.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Then a bird (the thrush? =
I&nbsp;guess=20
another one. the thrush sings a two-note motive: "find them, find them". =
this=20
bird sings a repeated single note: "go, go, go". but don't trust me. we =
don't=20
have thrushes down here. I've never heard one.) comes to expel the =
visitor,=20
since&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>human kind</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cannot bear very much=20
reality</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So the elusive experience in =
the garden is=20
(oddly enough) not only real, but supremely real: it is "too much" real =
for=20
human beings. We are not presented here to an ordinary kind of mnemonic=20
experience. What is involved is not an ordinary scene of life. But what =
is it?=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In my opinion the rose garden =
is a twofold=20
symbol. A personal and a cosmic symbol at the same time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>First of all, it is the =
symbol&nbsp;of the=20
World as we see it for the first time. Not a part of the world - say, a =
face, a=20
landscape, a sound - but the World as such. Life. Human existence. Being =
in=20
front of something. Being inside the river of time. We are always inside =
it, but=20
distracted&nbsp;of it. Our time is the time of the clocks, =
"spatialized", with=20
landmarks put before and after: what I did yesterday, what I'll do =
tomorrow.=20
Time future of our expectations, time past of our remembrances, and the =
merely=20
possible time of our imagination (what could have been, but was not). =
But all=20
these "times" are given in the "specious present" presenting itself in =
the flow=20
of life. This is the time we "find" when we come into existence [in a =
certain=20
sense, at every single moment]. The time of an infant. The time of our =
"first=20
world".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think the rose-garden is =
also the symbol=20
of a "cosmic beginning", where everything that exist "was" ["Is"] =
potentially=20
contained in the atemporal Love of God. But to support this reading, I =
would=20
have to use different passages of the poem, and my letter is growing too =
long.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What do you =
think?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jo=E3o</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>P.S.: Does any of you know of =
some text=20
about the relation between the Quartets and Augustine? =
Thanks.</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A [log in to unmask]
  href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Frances Rushworth</A> =
</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
[log in to unmask]
  href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 22, 2002 =
8:22=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> deception of the =
thrush</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>sugeknight wrote 'But heres my =
theory: The DOTT=20
  [deception of the thrush] is the belief that a person can find =
happiness in=20
  this life.'</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I&nbsp;read it only slightly =
differently, but a=20
  spot more ?optimistically, that the pursuit of happiness is futile, =
whether=20
  through memory or as a future goal.&nbsp; Kant was not the first to=20
  observe&nbsp;'that the more a cultivated reason concerns itself with =
the aim=20
  of enjoying life and happiness, the farther does man get away from =
true=20
  contentment.'&nbsp; I think contentment <U>is</U> something one can =
strive=20
  for, and&nbsp;happiness can happen when you aren't =
looking.</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT=20
  face=3DArial size=3D2> If you really want to suffer, let love seize=20
  you.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>cheers,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Fran</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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