This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C14867.2CDB85A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: OT: GunnarDear Gunnar: I am terribly sorry for the tragedy in Switzerland. I was seeking your = address to inquire if it had affected you. I am sorry that it has, but = pleased, at least, that it has not done so more directly. I had hoped also, when appropriate, to follow up on one or two things = from our recent conversation. When it is convenient, please send me = your email (for some reason, I cannot get it off your post to the list = when on my home computer.) Peace to you. Tom K ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gunnar Jauch=20 To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 9:23 PM Subject: Re: OT: Gunnar am 29.09.2001 1:26 Uhr schrieb Thomas Kissane unter = [log in to unmask]: I'm sorry to say I cannot find my old mails, nor locate Gunnar's = email address. Would anyone be able to forward it to me? Thanks. Tom K Dear Tom, dear TSE listmembers, an awful event has struck Switzerland.=20 On Thursday, a deranged man armed with assault rifles and grenades = burst into the cantonal parliamentary session of the affluent small town = of Zug (20 miles south of Zurich), killing 15 lawmakers and journalists = before killing himself. It was by far the worst single death toll = Switzerland has ever suffered in a shooting incident. My wife and I have a close friend in the Zug parliament. Like myself, = Regula is an admirer of my wife's artistry in dressmaking = (http://www.ewcouture.ch). The news bulletin said that among the = butchered were three women -- the long hours of incertitude were almost = unbearable. The relief was enormous that she wasn't on the casualty = list. But in the hospital there were a dozen of wounded, some in = critical condition. This morning, I finally could talk to her on the phone. With a voice = still shaking she told me she was all right, that she got away. Only 5 = minutes before the rampage began she was at the lectern, proposing a = modification of a law on education. She said she surely would have been = among the deceased if the killer would have come in earlier. She ducked = behind a bench. All she got was a bullethole through her handbag. She = said she fears that the horrid noise of the four endless minutes of = shooting and screaming would be around her for the rest of her life... To me it looks as though September 11 has broken down all inhibitions. = A wholly new threshold of violence has been crossed. Zug was a peaceful place -- there haven't been any killings in the = last three years. Violent crimes were relatively rare all over our = nation; there is a relaxed attitude to security within our borders. Even = some of the highest politicians use public transportation on the way to = their jobs, without any security men around them. Parliamentary sessions = are always held with public attendance, often with schoolclasses = listening in. All this will change. As of today, there are entry badges and metal = detectors in our national parliament.=20 Tonight I attended a peace rally in downtown Zurich (my last rally was = way back in '69, against the war in 'Nam). There were speakers of many = religions talking to a crowd of about 3000 people (a Rabbi sent his best = wishes, he couldn't take part because of shabbes). The messages of the = Buddist, the Hindu, the Moslem and the Tibetan were similar: to refrain = from answering violence with more violence, to try to love thy enemy. = References to Ghandi, to Martin Luther King. Kids wearing peace symbols, = holding hands, joining in with old gits like me singing old and new = peace hymns. When I got home the street was ablaze with the eery revolving light of = squad cars and ambulances. Police officers all over the place. Seems = that my neighbour has killed herself. It is not cold, but I shiver. Gunnar It ain't dark yet, but it's getting there Bob Dylan ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C14867.2CDB85A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Re: OT: Gunnar</TITLE> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4616.200" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Gunnar:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am terribly sorry for the tragedy in=20 Switzerland. I was seeking your address to inquire if it had = affected=20 you. I am sorry that it has, but pleased, at least, that it has = not done=20 so more directly.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I had hoped also, = when appropriate, to=20 follow up on one or two things from our recent conversation. When = it is=20 convenient, please send me your email (for some reason, I cannot get it = off your=20 post to the list when on my home computer.)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Peace to you.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom K</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A [log in to unmask] = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Gunnar=20 Jauch</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = [log in to unmask] href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 28, = 2001 9:23=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: OT: Gunnar</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>am 29.09.2001 1:26 Uhr schrieb Thomas Kissane unter <A=20 href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>I'm sorry to say I = cannot find my=20 old mails, nor locate Gunnar's email address. Would anyone be = able to=20 forward it to me? Thanks.<BR></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT = size=3D2><FONT=20 face=3DArial>Tom K<BR></FONT></FONT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><FONT = face=3DGeneva>Dear=20 Tom,<BR>dear TSE listmembers,<BR><BR>an awful event has struck = Switzerland.=20 <BR><BR>On Thursday, a deranged man armed with assault rifles and = grenades=20 burst into the cantonal parliamentary session of the affluent = small town=20 of Zug (20 miles south of Zurich), killing 15 lawmakers and = journalists=20 before killing himself. It was by far the worst single death toll = Switzerland=20 has ever suffered in a shooting incident.<BR><BR>My wife and I have a = close=20 friend in the Zug parliament. Like myself, Regula is an admirer of my = wife's=20 artistry in dressmaking (http://www.ewcouture.ch). The news = bulletin=20 said that among the butchered were three women -- the long hours of=20 incertitude were almost unbearable. The relief was enormous that she = wasn't on=20 the casualty list. But in the hospital there were a dozen of wounded, = some in=20 critical condition.<BR><BR>This morning, I finally could talk to her = on the=20 phone. With a voice still shaking she told me she was all right, that=20 she got away. Only 5 minutes before the rampage began she was at = the=20 lectern, proposing a modification of a law on education. She said she = surely=20 would have been among the deceased if the killer would have come in = earlier.=20 She ducked behind a bench. All she got was a bullethole through her = handbag.=20 She said she fears that the horrid noise of the four endless minutes = of=20 shooting and screaming would be around her for the rest of her=20 life...<BR><BR>To me it looks as though September 11 has broken down = all=20 inhibitions. A wholly new threshold of violence has been = crossed.<BR><BR>Zug=20 was a peaceful place -- there haven't been any killings in the last = three=20 years. Violent crimes were relatively rare all over our nation; there = is a=20 relaxed attitude to security within our borders. Even some of the = highest=20 politicians use public transportation on the way to their jobs, = without any=20 security men around them. Parliamentary sessions are always held with = public=20 attendance, often with schoolclasses listening in.<BR><BR>All this = will=20 change. As of today, there are entry badges and metal detectors in our = national parliament. <BR><BR>Tonight I attended a peace rally in = downtown=20 Zurich (my last rally was way back in '69, against the war in 'Nam). = There=20 were speakers of many religions talking to a crowd of about 3000 = people (a=20 Rabbi sent his best wishes, he couldn't take part because of shabbes). = The=20 messages of the Buddist, the Hindu, the Moslem and the Tibetan were = similar:=20 to refrain from answering violence with more violence, to try to love = thy=20 enemy. References to Ghandi, to Martin Luther King. Kids wearing peace = symbols, holding hands, joining in with old gits like me singing old = and new=20 peace hymns.<BR><BR>When I got home the street was ablaze with the = eery=20 revolving light of squad cars and ambulances. Police officers all over = the=20 place. Seems that my neighbour has killed herself.<BR><BR>It is not = cold, but=20 I shiver.<BR><BR><BR>Gunnar<BR><BR><BR><FONT size=3D1>It ain't dark = yet, but=20 it's getting there<BR>Bob=20 = Dylan<BR></FONT></FONT><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BOD= Y></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C14867.2CDB85A0--