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Well, I can agree with what you are saying here, although I think =
"thoughtless remarks" are properly considered in an analysis like the =
one Julius was undertaking.  Also, I don't believe Eliot's comment was =
thoughtless, but rather reflected a good deal of deliberation.=20

I was responding not to your story, but to your perception that I was =
endorsing the passages Julius was commenting on.

BTW, in the interests of fair disclosure and for general purposes going =
forward, I should let the list know: I'm changing over email account =
from [log in to unmask] to [log in to unmask]  I realize that I =
inadvertently defended my comments under the old handle through my new =
account, perhaps creating the impression that I had third-party support. =
 I'll be posting from both accounts until I cancel the AOL account.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: [log in to unmask]
  To: [log in to unmask]
  Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 11:17 AM
  Subject: Re: Eliot, Wagner and Julius


  In a message dated 9/2/01 3:44:05 AM !!!First Boot!!!, =
[log in to unmask]
  writes:=20





      Madam:=20

      You have an admirable moral instinct, but an undisciplined mind.  =
It is=20
      Julius who is quoting these things, as evidence of Eliot's =
anti-Semitism.  =20
      The question is whether or not the passages he cites, read =
together in the=20
      context of his arguments, support his thesis.  If this sort of =
discussion=20
      offends you, you either do not understand it, or are irrational.   =







  Sir:=20

  Methinks you are the irrational one.  I simply told a story that came =
to mind=20
  relating to the idea that a person of a minority group cannot write as =
a=20
  general citizen of his society.  As to whether Eliot was anti-Semitic, =
I=20
  don't think his statement about Rosenberg, whether taken to be a =
derogatory=20
  or complimentary, will answer this question, as often a person without =
any=20
  real prejudice in his being may make a thoughtless remark or tell a =
tasteless=20
  joke about a certain ethnic group.=20

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well, I can agree with what you are =
saying here,=20
although I think "thoughtless remarks" are properly considered in an =
analysis=20
like the one Julius was undertaking.&nbsp; Also, I don't believe Eliot's =
comment=20
was thoughtless, but rather reflected a good deal of deliberation. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I was responding not to your story, but =
to your=20
perception that I was endorsing the passages Julius was commenting=20
on.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>BTW, in the interests of fair =
disclosure and for=20
general purposes going forward,&nbsp;I should let the list know: I'm =
changing=20
over email account from <A href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A> =
</FONT>to=20
<A href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>.&nbsp; I =
realize=20
that I inadvertently&nbsp;defended my comments under the old handle =
through my=20
new account, perhaps creating the impression that I had third-party=20
support.&nbsp; I'll be posting from both accounts until I cancel the AOL =

account.</DIV>
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  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
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  <A [log in to unmask] =
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  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 02, =
2001 11:17=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Eliot, Wagner and=20
  Julius</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>In a =
message dated=20
  9/2/01 3:44:05 AM !!!First Boot!!!, <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A> =
<BR>writes:=20
  <BR><BR><BR>
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    style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff =
2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
    TYPE=3D"CITE">Madam:</FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial =
color=3D#000000 size=3D3=20
      FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"> <BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial =
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      size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">You have an admirable moral =
instinct, but an=20
      undisciplined mind. &nbsp;It is <BR>Julius who is quoting these =
things, as=20
      evidence of Eliot's anti-Semitism. &nbsp; <BR>The question is =
whether or=20
      not the passages he cites, read together in the <BR>context of his =

      arguments, support his thesis. &nbsp;If this sort of discussion=20
      <BR>offends you, you either do not understand it, or are =
irrational.=20
      &nbsp; <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial =
color=3D#0f0f0f=20
    size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Sir: =
<BR><BR>Methinks you=20
  are the irrational one. &nbsp;I simply told a story that came to mind=20
  <BR>relating to the idea that a person of a minority group cannot =
write as a=20
  <BR>general citizen of his society. &nbsp;As to whether Eliot was=20
  anti-Semitic, I <BR>don't think his statement about Rosenberg, whether =
taken=20
  to be a derogatory <BR>or complimentary, will answer this question, as =
often a=20
  person without any <BR>real prejudice in his being may make a =
thoughtless=20
  remark or tell a tasteless <BR>joke about a certain ethnic =
group.</FONT>=20
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