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Yes, I keep thinking of them. But there is also Julian, "And all shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well." I think they are both true, whatever that means. Nancy Date sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:44:46 EDT Send reply to: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] To: [log in to unmask] Subject: The Hollow Men At this time of world crisis does anyone else on this list hear in their minds the ending stanza of this poem? I'm sure you all know it; and perhaps in or out of school have examined its meaning. (Equally, I suppose there are the parts of FQ.) I keep hearing these 4 lines reverberating and wondered if we honor Eliot the craftsman often enough? Eugene Schlanger