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Nancy:

I thought that the Criterion published in Oct. and Dial in November.

What part of the facsimile is the original draft which was passed to the
Dial and the Criterion.  The text of TWL in the back of the Facsimile is a
copy of the first edition published in New York.  Are you maintaining that
there was no intermediate matter between the annotated notebook and the
final published version?

Or are you saying that TSE sent John Quinn the notebook as the final draft
and that John Quinn put together the published version which was then
published in the Oct issue of Criterion and then in Nov in Dial?

Rick Seddon
McIntosh, NM, USA

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Subject: Re: Pound and the Wasteland


The poem was published simultaneously in the Criterion and Dial in 1922.
The original was sent to John Quinn.  The Facsmimile is a copy of that
original.  As Rick pointed out, all the history of it is in that edition.
Nancy




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Kate:

Are we sure of the context within which TSE gave EP the notebook?  Could
it have been a casual "I'm not sure what I've got here but it's driving me
crazy.  I can't seem to get it right.  See what you think".  Neither Pound
nor TSE may have been aware of the mother lode which TSE had asked
EP to
dig in.  Then again it might have been simply a gesture of friendship,
done on the spur of the moment by TSE to continue a literary link with
Pound who had given up on the London scene.  TSE might have had no idea
what Pound would hand back to him.  Their immediate subsequent written
conversations reflect a rather pleased surprise to me.  They seem almost
boyishly strutting.  But then Pound often seems to be strutting.

Pound was very much used by many authors as a sounding board for their
work.  In fact someone has said that a superb writing course could be had
for ream of paper, some stamped envelopes and Pound's address.

The very final draft of TWL had to have been given to Criterion Magazine
I would think.  I am as curious as you about what went between the marked
up notebook that Pound gave back to TSE and what we have as TWL.  There
are many suppositions of sequences out there but no absolutes.  John
Quinn would have gotten a copy exactly that of the Criterion version plus
the appended notes.  Perhaps an intermediate version lies with the drafts
of the notes where ever those are.

Rick Seddon
McIntosh, NM, USA
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    Anyway, I perused that web site - the one which contained
    several different takes on Pound's editing of and influence on the
    Waste Land.  What struck me is that Eliot allowed Pound to take such
    liberties with his work.  Usually, a writer is extremely wary of
    another author even seeing his work before publication.  Obviously,
    they were friends and Eliot trusted Pound.  I wonder, who has the
    original final draft of the Waste Land.  Was it lost or was it a part
    of Eliot's Estate.