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Dear Rick,

There is no absolutely satisfying reading of any poem worth anything 
because it is not limited to so simple a meaning.  I have never been 
satisfied for long with any reading I have done.  So I keep on rereading.  To 
reify it would kill it.
Best,
Nancy




Date sent:      	Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:21:39 -0600
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Marcia

The quote is directly from Brooker and Bentley.  It is not necessarily the
way I read the first four lines of TWL.  I initially ( three years ago)
read the first four lines as you describe, threw up my hands, and
continued to plough on until I ran into a bunch of German (which is as
Latin to me).   I skipped rapidly over the German and then ran smack into
Marie.  Not even being done with page one I bought Brooker and Bentley's
book and got very serious about the poem.  I wish I could say that I was
able to read the poem without alot of outside help.  Such is not the fact.
 It is kinda curious to need a 230 page book in order to read a 19 page
poem.   With Brooker/Bentley's assistance I was able to read the poem
completely at one sitting.  I considered that to be a singular
accomplishment.  I have subsequently read several guides to the poem
including Nancy Gish's and Grover Smith's.  Each has been very helpful. 
None is absolutely satisfying in itself as each takes a different line to
the poem.

I wanted explicit connection during my first readings.  I was not
initially able to trust because I had no sense of needing to.  Modernist
poetry requires a lot of trust or experience with reading poetry.

Rick Seddon
McIntosh, NM, USA
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From: Marcia Karp <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: Monday, July 16, 2001 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: Carbuncular


>
>On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, Richard Seddon wrotein part:
>
>>
>>     "When we read 'April is the cruelest month,'  we immediately move
away
>> from the text in an attempt to figure out what it means.  In this
>> process
of
>> interpretation we automatically push the text aside.  But we discover
>> multiple and inconclusive results which are insufficient or
>> aesthetically less desirable than the initial textual fact. This leads
>> us to abandon
our
>> interpretations and refocus on 'April is the cruelest month.'  We have
moved
>> outside, found and weighed various meanings, considered them, and
returned
>> to the text.  But it is a return with a difference, a difference made
>> by
the
>> process of trying to interpret.  We call this journey which begins and
ends
>> with the text a "hermeneutical loop," a journey which finally takes us
>> beyond hermeneutics leaving us in a posthermeneutical state".  (page
>> 12, "Reading the Waste Land";   Jewel Spears Brooker and Joseph
>> Bentley).
>>
>
>**********************
>
>Dear Rick,
>  I'll respond to one small bit of your post.  I don't read the way
>  you've
>described.  After I read "April ..." I then read the next line and the
>next.  When I encounter "Mixing memory ..." I trust there is a connection
>to the first line.
>
>M.
>
>