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It strikes me as more Tennyson than Homer.  The comment "We shall not come here
again" is Tennyson's Ulysses, not Homer's!   I keep hearing "The Lotos-Eaters"
in the background, even when the imagery is more like the "Nature, red in tooth
and claw" moments of _In Memoriam_.  
 
Check this from "The Lotos-Eaters":  "Then someone said, 'We will return no
more'; . . ."  The sailor is speaking of (not) returning to the land of
responsibility (post-Romantic England?), opting instead to stay with the
self-absorbed lotos-eaters.  Eliot's sailor ("We shall not come here again.")
seems to be saying the contrary: "we're never going to come back to this land of
enslavement to sensuality." 
 
I like Tennyson's poem; I like Eliot's takeoff on it.  Part of me wants to be
with the lotos-eaters; part of me responds to the "Stern daughter of the Voice
of God" (as Wordsworth would have it).  Tennyson seems to be on the cusp between
the interiority of the Romantics and the exteriority of the Victorians.
 
--JP
 



J. P. Earls, OSB 
English Department 
St. John's University 
Collegeville, MN 56321 
Ph. (320) 363-2705 
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Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 10:28 AM
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Subject: Re: Circe's Palace


In a message dated 6/28/01 10:51:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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Pat-- 
I have a copy of it in _Poems Written in Early Youth_.  Did you want the 
poem? 
--JP 





Thanks JP, but Jennifer has already offered to send it. The first thing I'm 
waiting to see is how closely he follows the Odyssey. The second is whether 
"Circe's Palace" includes anything he carries over into the Sweeney 
poems...apart from Sweeney shifting "from ham to ham" in his bath. 

What did you think of the poem, if it impressed you one way or the other? 

pat 


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size=2><STRONG>It strikes me as more Tennyson than Homer.&nbsp; The comment "We 
shall not come here again" is Tennyson's Ulysses, not Homer's!&nbsp;&nbsp; I 
keep hearing "The Lotos-Eaters" in the background, even when the imagery is more 
like the "Nature, red in tooth and claw" moments of _In Memoriam_.&nbsp; 
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<DIV><SPAN class=640213315-28062001></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=640213315-28062001></SPAN><SPAN 
class=640213315-28062001><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Check 
this from "The Lotos-Eaters":&nbsp; </FONT></STRONG></SPAN><SPAN 
class=640213315-28062001><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>"Then 
someone said, 'We will return no more'; . . ."&nbsp; The&nbsp;sailor is speaking 
of (not) returning to the land of responsibility (post-Romantic 
England?),&nbsp;opting instead to stay with the self-absorbed 
lotos-eaters.&nbsp; Eliot's&nbsp;sailor ("We shall not come here 
again.")&nbsp;seems to be saying the contrary: "we're never going to come back 
to this land of enslavement to sensuality."&nbsp;</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=640213315-28062001><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=640213315-28062001><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>I like Tennyson's poem; I like Eliot's takeoff on it.&nbsp; Part of me 
wants to be with the lotos-eaters; part of me responds to the "Stern daughter of 
the Voice of God"&nbsp;(as Wordsworth would have it).&nbsp; Tennyson seems to be 
on the cusp between the interiority of the Romantics and the exteriority of the 
Victorians.</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=640213315-28062001><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=640213315-28062001><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>--JP</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>J. P. Earls, OSB</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Tahoma 
size=2>English Department</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>St. John's 
University</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Collegeville, MN 56321</FONT> 
<BR><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Ph. (320) 363-2705</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Tahoma 
size=2>[log in to unmask]</FONT> </P><BR>
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  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> [log in to unmask] 
  [mailto:[log in to unmask]]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 28, 2001 10:28 
  AM<BR><B>To:</B> [log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Circe's 
  Palace<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 
  face="Arial Narrow" size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><B>In a message dated 6/28/01 
  10:51:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>[log in to unmask] writes: 
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  FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></B><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2 
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  style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" 
  TYPE="CITE"><B>Pat--</FONT><FONT lang=0 face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 
    FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></B> <BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 face=Arial color=#0000ff 
    size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><B>I have a copy of it in _Poems Written in Early 
    Youth_. &nbsp;Did you want the <BR>poem?</FONT><FONT lang=0 face=Arial 
    color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></B> <BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 
    face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><B>--JP</FONT><FONT 
    lang=0 face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></B> 
  <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 face="Arial Narrow" color=#000000 
  size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><B><BR>Thanks JP, but Jennifer has already offered 
  to send it. The first thing I'm <BR>waiting to see is how closely he follows 
  the Odyssey. The second is whether <BR>"Circe's Palace" includes anything he 
  carries over into the Sweeney <BR>poems...apart from Sweeney shifting "from 
  ham to ham" in his bath. <BR><BR>What did you think of the poem, if it 
  impressed you one way or the other? <BR><BR>pat</B></FONT> 
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