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Pat:

Was Shakespeare's "language", as opposed to the English language, a =
refined version of the English vernacular?  How about "King James =
Version" English?  Dante's "language" was a refined version of the =
Italian vernacular of the time.  Another question for the list, where =
does Provencal fit into all this?  Provencal, I think, differs =
significantly from either 13th century or 21st century Italian.  Dante's =
lyric tradition was troubadour which is Provencal.

Rick Seddon
McIntosh, NM, USA
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    Date: Sunday, March 18, 2001 10:39 AM
    Subject: Re: Dans le Restaurant and the Commedia
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        My question was that I knew Dante's 1200 Italian was closer to =
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        Italian than Chaucher's 1200 English is to modern English but =
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        closer than Shakespeare's 1600 English.  He said yes.  Italian =
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        of Dante do not have much trouble with the language or grammar =
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        there are problems with some terms (I would guess on a parr with =

        Shakespeare's "collier" for example.) Also there was trouble =
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Pat:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Was Shakespeare's &quot;language&quot;, as opposed =
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English language, a refined version of the English vernacular?&nbsp; How =
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&quot;King James Version&quot; English?&nbsp; Dante's =
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refined version of the Italian vernacular of the time.&nbsp; Another =
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for the list, where does Provencal fit into all this?&nbsp; Provencal, I =
think,=20
differs significantly from either 13th century or 21st century =
Italian.&nbsp;=20
Dante's lyric tradition was troubadour which is Provencal.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Rick Seddon</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>McIntosh, NM, USA</FONT></DIV>
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    TYPE =3D CITE>My question was that I knew Dante's 1200 Italian was =
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        but was it <BR>closer than Shakespeare's 1600 English. &nbsp;He =
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        yes. &nbsp;Italian students <BR>of Dante do not have much =
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        the language or grammar although <BR>there are problems with =
some terms=20
        (I would guess on a parr with <BR>Shakespeare's =
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        example.) Also there was trouble with some <BR>of the allusions =
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