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Dear Steve,

Tryng to feel like a daughter,=20
I  always answered the a and b questions with:


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I prefer Apollonius of Rhodes, just to forget that general idea that =
Medeia
was one of our first serial killers- a very common-place (not that one
searched by TSE...)stablished in the interpretation of Euripede's Medea,
such  splendid story about humanship & womanship...
She is, in the Mith ( =3D story),  a woman that would like to be loved
"without heaven's aid".
Just the opposite of  Dionysios in BAXAI ( Bacchae).
My personal views of Medeia is that, with TSE's Marina, they are the 2 =
best
melt i ever seem between Womam & Water.( ...Let us call Freud too, for a
while.)
The basis is , I suppose, a poetic-game of reflections (=3D images =
returned,
oh my daughter!) like:
medea marina mith
woman water with
etc

kss
paulo michelotto
(01 march 2001,11:30 AM)

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> 1/28/2001
>    TSE wrote (about the 'Commedia'), "If you get nothing out of it at
first,
> you probably never will; but if from your first deciphering of it =
there
comes
> now and then some direct shock of poetic intensity, nothing but =
laziness
can
> deaden the desire for fuller and fuller knowledge".
>
>     I've have always found that quote to apply to my experiences with
TSE's
> own poetry. In my initial readings I usually am quite certain that I'm =
not
> understanding the meaning of the poem, but "some direct shock of =
poetic
> intensity" leads me to keep searching for "fuller and fuller =
knowledge".
>    Such has been the case with TSE's "Marina". I loved the language of =
it,
> and I had a general sense of what it was about, but I wanted to know =
more.
(...)
"Resign my life for this life, my speech
> for that unspoken,/The awakened, lips parted, the hope, the new =
ships."
>> -- Steve --

 "Marina"=20

>Question a> Quis hic locus, quae regio, quae mundi plaga?

> ----------------------------------------------
> What seas what shores what grey rocks and what islands
> What water lapping the bow
> And scent of pine and the woodthrush singing through the fog

question b > What images return
>                  O my daughter.                                        =
             5
>
> Those who sharpen the tooth of the dog, meaning
> Death
> Those who glitter with the glory of the hummingbird, meaning
> Death
> Those who sit in the sty of contentment, meaning                 10
> Death
> Those who suffer the ecstasy of the animals, meaning
> Death
>
> Are become insubstantial, reduced by a wind,
> A breath of pine, and the woodsong fog                            15
> By this grace dissolved in place
>
> What is this face, less clear and clearer
> The pulse in the arm, less strong and stronger--
> Given or lent? more distant than stars and nearer than the eye
> Whispers and small laughter between leaves and hurrying feet       20
> Under sleep, where all the waters meet.
>
> Bowsprit cracked with ice and paint cracked with heat.
> I made this, I have forgotten
> And remember.
> The rigging weak and the canvas rotten                             25
> Between one June and another September.
> Made this unknowing, half conscious, unknown, my own.
> The garboard strake leaks, the seams need caulking.
> This form, this face, this life
> Living to live in a world of time beyond me; let me                 30
> Resign my life for this life, my speech for that unspoken,
> The awakened, lips parted, the hope, the new ships.
>
> What seas what shores what granite islands towards my timbers
> And woodthrush calling through the fog
> My daughter.                                                        35
>
>
> -------------------------------------------
> Epigraph:
> [What place is this, what region? or of the world what coast?]
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Steve,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Tryng to feel like a daughter, </DIV>
<DIV>I&nbsp; always answered the&nbsp;<STRONG>a</STRONG> and=20
<STRONG>b&nbsp;</STRONG>questions with:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>3 -<BR>I prefer Apollonius of Rhodes, just to forget that general =
idea that=20
Medeia<BR>was one of our first serial killers- a very common-place (not =
that=20
one<BR>searched by TSE...)stablished in the interpretation of Euripede's =

Medea,<BR>such&nbsp; splendid story about humanship &amp; =
womanship...<BR>She=20
is, in the Mith ( =3D story),&nbsp; a woman that would like to be=20
loved<BR>"without heaven's aid".<BR>Just the opposite of&nbsp; Dionysios =
in=20
BAXAI ( Bacchae).<BR>My personal views of Medeia is that, with TSE's =
Marina,=20
they are the 2 best<BR>melt i ever seem between Womam &amp; Water.( =
....Let us=20
call Freud too, for a<BR>while.)<BR>The basis is , I suppose, a =
poetic-game of=20
reflections (=3D images returned,<BR>oh my daughter!) like:<BR>medea =
marina=20
mith<BR>woman water with<BR>etc<BR><BR>kss<BR>paulo michelotto<BR>(01 =
march=20
2001,11:30 =
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<BR>&gt;=20
1/28/2001<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; TSE wrote (about the 'Commedia'), =
"If you=20
get nothing out of it at<BR>first,<BR>&gt; you probably never will; but =
if from=20
your first deciphering of it there<BR>comes<BR>&gt; now and then some =
direct=20
shock of poetic intensity, nothing but laziness<BR>can<BR>&gt; deaden =
the desire=20
for fuller and fuller =
knowledge".<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I've=20
have always found that quote to apply to my experiences =
with<BR>TSE's<BR>&gt;=20
own poetry. In my initial readings I usually am quite certain that I'm=20
not<BR>&gt; understanding the meaning of the poem, but "some direct =
shock of=20
poetic<BR>&gt; intensity" leads me to keep searching for "fuller and =
fuller=20
knowledge".<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Such has been the case with TSE's=20
"Marina". I loved the language of it,<BR>&gt; and I had a general sense =
of what=20
it was about, but I wanted to know more.<BR>(...)<BR>"Resign my life for =
this=20
life, my speech<BR>&gt; for that unspoken,/The awakened, lips parted, =
the hope,=20
the new ships."<BR>&gt;&gt; -- Steve --<BR></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;"Marina" <BR><BR>&gt;Question a&gt;&nbsp;Quis hic locus, quae =
regio,=20
quae mundi plaga?<BR></DIV>
<DIV>&gt; ----------------------------------------------<BR>&gt; What =
seas what=20
shores what grey rocks and what islands<BR>&gt; What water lapping the=20
bow<BR>&gt; And scent of pine and the woodthrush singing through the=20
fog<BR></DIV>
<DIV>question&nbsp;b &gt; What images=20
return<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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O my=20
daughter.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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5<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Those who sharpen the tooth of the dog, =
meaning<BR>&gt;=20
Death<BR>&gt; Those who glitter with the glory of the hummingbird,=20
meaning<BR>&gt; Death<BR>&gt; Those who sit in the sty of contentment,=20
meaning&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
10<BR>&gt; Death<BR>&gt; Those who suffer the ecstasy of the animals,=20
meaning<BR>&gt; Death<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Are become insubstantial, reduced =
by a=20
wind,<BR>&gt; A breath of pine, and the woodsong=20
fog&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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15<BR>&gt; By this grace dissolved in place<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; What is this =
face,=20
less clear and clearer<BR>&gt; The pulse in the arm, less strong and=20
stronger--<BR>&gt; Given or lent? more distant than stars and nearer =
than the=20
eye<BR>&gt; Whispers and small laughter between leaves and hurrying=20
feet&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 20<BR>&gt; Under sleep, where =
all the=20
waters meet.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Bowsprit cracked with ice and paint cracked =
with=20
heat.<BR>&gt; I made this, I have forgotten<BR>&gt; And =
remember.<BR>&gt; The=20
rigging weak and the canvas=20
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
25<BR>&gt; Between one June and another September.<BR>&gt; Made this =
unknowing,=20
half conscious, unknown, my own.<BR>&gt; The garboard strake leaks, the =
seams=20
need caulking.<BR>&gt; This form, this face, this life<BR>&gt; Living to =
live in=20
a world of time beyond me; let=20
me&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
30<BR>&gt; Resign my life for this life, my speech for that =
unspoken,<BR>&gt;=20
The awakened, lips parted, the hope, the new ships.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; What =
seas=20
what shores what granite islands towards my timbers<BR>&gt; And =
woodthrush=20
calling through the fog<BR>&gt; My=20
daughter.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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