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Marcia:

Only the explanation uses metaphor.  The actual act of putting just  those
words, in any order,  on paper with no explanation would be use of the
ideogrammic method.   Pound was not interested in replacing the metaphor in
prose.  He was interested in limiting the use of metaphor in poetry.  The
romantic age had ruined the metaphor through overblown inappropriate use.
However,  Pound's extensive use of "personas" or literary masks  could be
almost looked at as use of metaphor on another level.

and so the messenger speaks from the shadows
Rick Seddon
McIntosh, NM, USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Marcia Karp <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: Thursday, March 29, 2001 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: Form in TWL


>Richard Seddon wrote:
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>> The ideogrammic method is "Language beyond Metaphor".
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>Your example of how "red" might be represented by various red objects
sounds to
>me like a metaphor.  Expliquez, M. Rick.
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>Mlle M.
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