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Marcia: Those metaphors are very interesting, I assume neither Brooks nor Davie gave Pound credit. I have already given the citation for the fluid versus solid form that Brooks reuses; In his "Treatise on Metre" a seperate section of "A B C of Reading" Pound says, "Rhythm is a form cut into TIME, as a design is determined space." He later in the same piece repeats the first phrase.(capitalization is Pound's, I think he fully intended to shout and just was a little ahead of his time. He did alot of shouting) By the way Pound in 1912 says that one of his goals is a "Language beyond metaphor". Rick Seddon McIntosh, NM, USA -----Original Message----- From: Marcia Karp <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:18 PM Subject: Re: Form in TWL >Richard Seddon wrote: > >> You and Nancy are right; language has sequence and therefore is temploral. > >There are two metaphors you might be interested in. > > The poem as a well-wrought urn. (Cleanth Brooks from Donne's "The > Canonization") > The poem as a shape cut in time. (Donald Davie “Syntax and Music in > ‘Paradise Lost’,” in _The Living Milton_, Frank Kermode, editor.) > >Marcia > >