Hi Rick P,

I'm getting TSE posts now, after un-subscribing & re-subscribing.  I bought
a Handel CD maybe a year ago & the liner notes said he was commissioned
write a piece for the English victory at Culloden.  I don't know if the
subject was his choice or not, but the piece in question was the oratorio
"Judas Maccabaeus" which seems a little odd.  When one compares JM with the
Duke of Cumberland, the Duke looks very unheroic.  Don't know if Handel was
saying something with the juxtaposition or just doing a job for the money.


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Rickard A Parker [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
	Sent:	Thursday, March 22, 2001 10:42 AM
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	Subject:	OFF TOPIC - The Story of English and Culloden

	Nancy Gish wrote:

	> "The Story of English" was extremely well done, and I assume the
	> were pretty accurate, but the thesis it promoted was, in my view,
	> problematic.  The only section I could really evaluate was on
Scots (and to 
	> some extent Gaelic), and I found it infuriating in its assumptions
about the 
	> wonderful way English supplanted them.  It simply did not happen
that way 
	> nor was its priviliging welcomed. 
	> I saw it too long ago to be specific, but I do think it was an
exercise in 
	> presumption and self congratulation that dismissed other cultures.
I am 
	> remembering my distressed reaction rather than specific examples.

	I saw "The Story of English" too long ago to remember a lot of
	but I do recall (rightly or wrongly) that the show that brought in
	Scots started with the battle of Culloden and mentioning that a new
	anti-Scots verse was added to the new anthem "God Save the King."  I
	hope that I am remembering this correctly.  I have the book but it
	packed away someplace and I am NOT going to unpack.  So I would say
	that if this were true the producers knew that the Scots didn't just
	take to the English language.

	I did do a bit of web searching and have come up with the following:

	"God Save the King" dates to 1745.
	The battle of Culloden was 1746.
	The verse that was added was:

	    God grant that Marshal Wade,
	    May by thy Mighty aid,
	    Victory bring,
	    May he sedition hush,
	    And like a torrent rush,
	    Rebellious Scots to crush,
	    God save the King.

	The Rise & Fall of the Jacobite Rebellion

	The web page above, after telling the story of Culloden, ends with:

	    I am a Highland born and bred 26 year old. In my school days I
	    taught English history - William the Conqueror - The Romans -
	    Arthur - Even Robin Hood. I was taught in English and had the
	    of languages between French and Gaelic. I and 22 other class
	    chose Gaelic - there were over 300 in my class.

	Bonnie Prince Charlie, Culloden and God Save the King

	I believe that the "Rebellious Scots" verse from has since been
	removed from "God Save the King/Queen" and only the first verse is
	official but I'm a Yank and I'm more familiar with "My Country Tis

	Other bloody national anthems:

	   Rick Parker