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In a message dated 3/18/01 10:52:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] 
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> At the end of the anecdote Aiken makes an interesting and tantalizingly 
> vague statement: "such passages as 'A woman drew her long black hair out 
> tight' , which I had seen as poems, or part-poems, in themselves!".  

Well, it was interesting. Aiken made it sound as if he were telling some 
terrible secret...that Eliot had been fooling around with these pieces for 
years. To me it seemed like...well, why not? It's a legitimate enough way to 
work. Maybe Aiken was still into this old-fashioned Romantic idea that one 
had to write poetry by having "feeelings"and poring out one's feelings on the 
spot. I guess lyric poets do something like that, but it certainly isn't the 
only way to work.

Several questions come immediately to mind.   What other passages?  What 
poems 
> and part-poems?  Where are these forerunners to TWL?  Who else saw and heard 
> these poems and part-poems?  The famous notebook that has become the 
> facsimile was evidently not all that TSE toted in his famously large 
> suitcase to Lake Leman.  Does anyone know if Aiken has ever enlarged upon 
> this statement?


Interesting questions. I don't know. You're probably going to end up writing 
this way yourself...thiniing about things a long time before you finally use 
them.

pat

> 
> Rick Seddon
> McIntosh, NM, USA 
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial Narrow" LANG="0"><B>In a message dated 3/18/01 10:52:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] 
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">At the end of the anecdote Aiken makes an interesting and tantalizingly 
<BR>vague statement: "such passages as 'A woman drew her long black hair out 
<BR>tight' , which I had seen as poems, or part-poems, in themselves!". &nbsp;</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><B>Well, it was interesting. Aiken made it sound as if he were telling some 
<BR>terrible secret...that Eliot had been fooling around with these pieces for 
<BR>years. To me it seemed like...well, why not? It's a legitimate enough way to 
<BR>work. Maybe Aiken was still into this old-fashioned Romantic idea that one 
<BR>had to write poetry by having "feeelings"and poring out one's feelings on the 
<BR>spot. I guess lyric poets do something like that, but it certainly isn't the 
<BR>only way to work.
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<BR>Several questions come immediately to mind. &nbsp;&nbsp;What other passages? &nbsp;What 
<BR>poems </FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">and part-poems? &nbsp;Where are these forerunners to TWL? &nbsp;Who else saw and heard 
<BR>these poems and part-poems? &nbsp;The famous notebook that has become the 
<BR>facsimile was evidently not all that TSE toted in his famously large 
<BR>suitcase to Lake Leman. &nbsp;Does anyone know if Aiken has ever enlarged upon 
<BR>this statement?</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR><B>Interesting questions. I don't know. You're probably going to end up writing 
<BR>this way yourself...thiniing about things a long time before you finally use 
<BR>them.
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<BR>pat
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<BR>Rick Seddon
<BR>McIntosh, NM, USA 
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