I recall there being at least two discussions of the typist scene on the
list, but have so far found only one from August 2005. It doesn't much
focus on the question of rape but more on the condition of the two
agents, the typist and the clerk, and some on Tiresias. I think the
other discussion focused more on whether the encounter was or was not rape.
Under the subject line of "the poem and humanity" from the Aug. 2005
discussion there are varied presentations of the context of the scene.
It's interesting to compare the 2005 looks at the poem to today's views
of it. Fourteen years appears to make a discernible difference in what
shapes our attention. I didn't read every post, but in the six or seven
that I did read there was no mention of "patriarchy." There is however
a post from Rickard giving a translation of the Baudelaire poem that is
the source of "hypocrite lecteur" etc.
On 10/9/2019 11:31 AM, Materer, Timothy J. wrote:
> I’m offering an adult ed (Osher) class on Eliot, and yesterday we discussed the Typist and Clerk passage. I of course related the situation to the Philomela story and other related passages and raised the issue of whether the typist was raped. One woman said that she was not b/c the typist offered no real resistance and was not forced, and the class (15) accepted that view. But I plan to return to the issue next class with the question of whether economic (she’s a typist in a bed-sit) and patriarchal forces were in play, which would amount to duress and thus rape.
> Maybe some of you could offer some tips about how to approach the issue.