Viv also contributed much to The Criterion for some years. -- Jim
On Sat, 8/8/15, Nancy Gish <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Subject: Re: More on checking: Sean O'Brien on Eliot's "The Waste Land"
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Date: Saturday, August 8, 2015, 12:02 PM
already had a line there. It was "You want to keep
him at home, I suppose." Vivienne crossed it out and
placed an asterisk next to it. At the bottom of the page she
wrote as a footnote "What you get married for if you
dont want to have children."
Valerie's annotation says "On the verso of
this leaf, Vivien Eliot has written in pencil to her
husband: 'Make any of these alterations--or none
if you prefer. Send me back this copy & let me have
Eliot took out "to have" and added the
apostrophe and replaced his line with hers. Hers is a lot
better in this case.
It seems clear from recent biography that Vivienne did
have a real influence on early poems after their marriage
and before it all fell apart completely.
It is not just a matter of Eliot incorporating another
voice--as he did by using Ellen Kellond's
recounting of the pub exchange--but of editing in the
same manner as Pound.
>>> "Rickard A. Parker"
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On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 14:54:35 -0400, Nancy Gish
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>This line may be part of a brilliant exchange, but
Vivienne wrote it and added it, not TSE: "What you get
married for if you don't want children?" (See
>Whether that matters is an open question.
After years this thought just came to me: What if Vivien
just wrote down a line that was told to the Eliots but was
forgotten to be added by TSE? My "Facsimile" has
been missing for years so I can't see how this was