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TSE July 2015

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Re: Northern English phrase

From:

David Boyd <[log in to unmask]>

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T. S. Eliot Discussion forum.

Date:

Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:17:53 +0100

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Travelling a little way beyond effete Hampstead into dingy inner suburban North London, there is a neighbourhood the name of which sounds as if a Londoner is telling you that Dorothy is unwell - Dollis Hill with the usual dropping of the H...........

Sent from my iPad

> On 28 Jul 2015, at 01:36, P <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> All kinds of interesting language are disappearing in the great homogenisation.
> My dad told me that when he was in London in WWI they used to kid the drivers, when they would say something like "Next stop 'ampstead." Dad would say "Didn't you drop something there?" The reply would be "That's alright. I'll pick it up at Hoxford."
> PM
>
>> On 27 Jul 2015 4:16 pm, Peter Dillane <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi David Hi Peter
>>
>> Were all migrants here mate you heard a diversity of patois in my childhood. In 1966 we went to dollars and cents from pounds shillings and pence. In fact at school I learnt to do the necessary arithmetic in the old money ( if I buy a shirt for two pounds ten shillings and sixpence and a tie for eleven shillings how much change will I get out of five pounds etc etc) the change to a North American currency style made life much easier but we lost contact with such lovely sayings as "not worth a two bob watch" and I have to go to spend a penny". We never took on those engaging English slang terms for money like monkey or pony however. Progress I guess.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> P
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: T. S. Eliot Discussion forum. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of P
>> Sent: Tuesday, 28 July 2015 5:11 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Northern English phrase
>>
>> Well if it comes from an oral background, & one's own background is literate, then the speaker could be right next door & one might never hear it.
>>
>> My thank to Peter Dillane for the elucidation from down under.
>>
>> The phrase 'It isn' t worth shit. ' comes to mind. That may be a North Aremican phrase.
>>
>>> On 27 Jul 2015 9:42 am, David Boyd <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> You seem to be substantially accurate, Peter
>>>
>>> Here is an example from, believe it or not, a tiny village just a few miles from where I live:-
>>>
>>>
>>> https://mobile.twitter.com/danmatthews/status/550788059105857539
>>>
>>>
>>> I've often heard 'sound as a pound' to describe someone favourably, but never this, which seems hyperbolically to spell out the converse.
>>>
>>> I must have lived the last 60 years in a sheltered existence!
>>>
>>> Good on you though, that the saying got identified
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent https://mobile.twitter.com/danmatthews/status/550788059105857539from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On 27 Jul 2015, at 16:43, Peter Dillane <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey peter the expression is that a person is "nowt a pound and shit's tuppence" I think. I took it to mean relative values but it is clearly more complex than I superficially understood as if shit is tuppence you could still be doing alright although not the full quid.
>>>>
>>>> What's the Geordie hymn? Yes "fook him" ok I'll go quietly now
>>>>
>>>> Cheers Pete
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On 27 Jul 2015, at 6:14 pm, P <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> reply.

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