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Re: Anglicans set to remove Satan from Baptism - Eliot predicted

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Kate <[log in to unmask]>

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Sat, 5 Jul 2014 12:16:21 -0400

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Just think how less dramatic Godfather 2 would have been without those satan questions and responses.

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> On Jul 5, 2014, at 8:33 AM, "Rickard A. Parker" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> Seeing this title to an article:
>   Anglicans set to remove Satan from Baptism
>   T.S. Eliot and C.S. Lewis predicted it
> I tracked it to another webpage and then to another and I got to the one
> below. It does have significant quoting of Eliot and Lewis.
> 
> Regards,
>    Rick Parker
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/25/hendershott-no-apology-necessary/#ixzz35n9dG6Ki
> The Washington Times
> 
> By Anne Hendershott
> Wednesday, June 25, 2014 
> 
> Declaring that the devil has departed from the Church of England’s baptism
> service, The Guardian reported on June 20 that “a simplified baptism which
> omits mention of the devil” is now favored by the clergy who have
> test-marketed it throughout the United Kingdom. Claiming that the
> traditional rejection of the devil and all rebellion against God “put off
> people who are offended to be addressed as sinners,” clergy claimed that
> they found it much easier to ask parents and godparents to make vows that do
> not mention Satan.
> 
> Responding to a population “which sees no pressing reason to spend Sunday
> mornings or any other time in Church,” the Guardian reports, the new and
> improved baptism service also deletes the instruction to the godparents that
> the child will keep God’s commandments, and learn what a Christian “ought to
> know and believe to his soul’s health” — promising only that the church
> “shall do all that we can to ensure that there is a welcoming place for you.
> We will play our part in helping you guide these children along the way of
> faith.”
> 
> The decision to delete the devil from the ritual reveals that the Church of
> England may be losing its sense of sin — and its need for salvation. More
> than 60 years ago, T.S. Eliot wrote about the sense of alienation that
> occurred when social regulators — like the church — began to splinter and
> the controlling moral authority of a society is no longer effective. He
> suggested that a “sense of sin” was beginning to disappear. In his play “The
> Cocktail Party,” a troubled young woman confides in her psychiatrist that
> she feels “sinful” because of her relationship with a married man. She is
> distressed not so much by the illicit relationship, but rather, by the
> strange sense of sin. Eliot writes that “having a sense of sin seems
> abnormal she believed that she had become ill.”
> 
> Writing in 1950, Eliot knew that the language of sin was declining even
> then. Yet most of us would assume that the concept of sin was still strong
> because the churches — like the Church of England — seemed so strong.
> Looking back, though, it seems that the sense of sin was already beginning
> to be replaced by an emerging therapeutic culture. Within a growing culture
> of liberation, people no longer viewed themselves as sinful when they drank
> too much, took drugs, or engaged in violent or abusive behaviors. Rather,
> such actions were increasingly viewed as indicators that such individuals
> were victims of an illness they had little control over.
> 
> Sociologist Philip Rieff warned in his now-classic book of the 1960s, “The
> Triumph of the Therapeutic,” that “psychological man was beginning to
> replace Christian man” as the dominant character type in our society. Unlike
> traditional Christianity, which made moral demands on believers, the secular
> world of “psychological man” rejects both the idea of sin and the need for
> salvation.” The transformation is now complete in the Church of England.
> 
> Satan has been called an “evil genius” because he has been able to convince
> so many that he does not exist. In his satirical “Screwtape Letters,” C.S.
> Lewis creates a senior demon named Screwtape who is instructing Wormwood,
> his young protege, on how best to capture a soul for hell. He tells him that
> the most effective thing he can do to bring souls to hell is to convince
> people that Satan does not even exist. “The fact that devils are
> predominantly comic figures in the modern imagination will help you. If any
> faint suspicion of your existence begins to arise in his mind, suggest to
> him a picture of something in red tights, and persuade him that since he
> cannot believe in that, he therefore cannot believe in you.”
> 
> Unlike the Church of England, which is helping people move away from
> thoughts of the devil, Pope Francis has spoken often of Satan as the “prince
> of this world,” and the “father of lies.” He cautioned in his book “On
> Heaven and Earth” that “Satan’s fruits are destruction, division, hatred and
> calumny.” In response, the faithful are beginning to flock to a shepherd
> that reminds them that it is the “work of the devil” to ignore the plight of
> the poor and to reject the humanity of all persons — including the weakest
> and least powerful.
> 
> One wonders why the Church of England will even bother to perform baptismal
> ceremonies at all when the real purpose of such a service has been lost.
> Rituals are important, though, as author, P.D. James writes in her chilling
> novel “Children of Man.” Set in a dystopian world in the year 2021 in which
> the entire human race has become infertile, the author describes a society
> in which the last child had been born two decades earlier, and where the
> “new trend” in cities such as London is to hold elaborate christening
> ceremonies for kittens — replete with flowing white christening dresses and
> lace bonnets for the feline newborns. In such a society, the clergy is
> pleased to preside over the ritual because it gives so much joy to the
> childless “parents” of the kittens.
> 
> The Church of England’s revised baptismal ritual will be voted upon next
> month in Kent at their General Synod. It will likely pass because it has
> been driven by a powerful division within the clergy, which is determined to
> demonstrate that the Church of England is a progressive church that no
> longer needs to recognize the need to renounce Satan in order to live in the
> freedom of the children of God.
> 
> Anne Hendershott is professor of sociology and director of the Veritas
> Center for Ethics in Public Life at Franciscan University of Steubenville,
> Ohio. She is the co-author of “Renewal” (Encounter Books, 2013).

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