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Subject:

Re: Patricia Sloane's Bleistein book (was Re: Patricia Sloane's Key to 'The Waste Land')

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Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]>

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T. S. Eliot Discussion forum.

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Thu, 13 Oct 2011 00:05:59 -0700

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Thanks Rickard.
That's a VERY rich piece.
Cheers,
Peter M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rickard A. Parker" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: Patricia Sloane's Bleistein book (was Re: Patricia Sloane's Key
to 'The Waste Land')


> Thank you Rick. I'm familiar with a number of Pat's views through her
> posts on
> the TSE list and other writings but I have not even seen her book.
>
> I probably owe the list more on this topic but I have problems getting
> things
> down in writing. But to make up for this I have resurrected Pat's "Pun
> and
> Games" from the "Yeats Eliot Review." I had placed a copy of it on my
> website
> years ago but removed it when Pat created her own AOL website. You can
> find it again at its old URL:
> http://www.std.com/~raparker/pub/pun_and_games.html
>
> Regards,
> Rick Parker
>
>
>
> On 10/8/2011 4:23 PM, Richard Seddon wrote:
>> Rick
>>
>> The individual chapters of Pat's book absolutely could serve as essays.
>> Each has its own well developed theme that is, of course, subordinated to
>> her over all theme, yet each chapter can largely stand alone. As stated
>> in her preface, "My thesis is that the poems form an organic sequence,
>> and provide a comic or absurdist improvisation on 'Dante's Commedia'.
>>
>> In pursuit of her theme she uses an extreme in-depth analysis of the
>> poems including word count and other forms of non-semantic analysis. She
>> delves much into the meaning of words from the cultural and historical
>> setting of TSE, particularly his early life in St Louis.
>>
>> For those scholars that reject technical analysis of poems, Pat's book
>> would be unattractive.
>>
>> As I have stated the depth of her scholarship is immense especially as
>> opposed to the abrupt and unsupported accusations of Julius. Julius
>> seems to always rest his case upon words to the effect of --"Well I am
>> Jewish and I am affronted and appalled by these Poems" (Julius of course
>> never said exactly this but I think I have given my sense of his book).
>>
>> Well, Pat was Jewish also and she saw a completely different reading to
>> the poems. One not absolutely rooted in anti- Semitism. Pat does not
>> deny that TSE was probably, like his time, anti-Semitic. He probably
>> was, but she denies this as the best reading of the poems.
>>
>> I think Pat's book is as tight a close reading of a small set of poems as
>> any I have seen.
>>
>> One can agree or not agree with her analysis but the book deserves
>> scholarly attention if only to exploit the wealth of material that Pat
>> unearth in her research.
>>
>> BTW there are several pages devoted to an area TSE scholarship much loved
>> by the members of this list: the notes to TWL.
>>
>> Rick Seddon
>> Portales, NM
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: T. S. Eliot Discussion forum. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>> Behalf Of Rickard A. Parker
>> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 2:23 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Patricia Sloane's Bleistein book (was Re: Patricia Sloane's
>> Key to 'The Waste Land')
>>
>> On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 14:38:23 -0400, Tom Colket<[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyway, if there is any interest in discussion of her Burbank book, I
>>> will
>> try to contribute.
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, 2 Oct 2011 21:24:23 -0600, Rick Seddon<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> BTW, in my reading of her book I found some of her positions to be
>> convincing and others not so. Again, I would encourage all to read the
>> book. If possible the reading should be done with Julius close at hand.
>>
>>
>> Was Pat's book written with separate essays dealing with anti-semitism
>> and treatment of Jews in the poems? Or were her opinions on this
>> included with the discussions of each of the poems she wrote about?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rick Parker
>>

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