"As for the critics," Sam Goldwyn said, "don't even ignore them."
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From: "Ken Armstrong" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 5:20 AM
Subject: Re: Eliot and literary culture
> Nancy Gish wrote:
>> . But the concluding evaluation is a bit exaggerated: "the literary
>> mind par exellence" would be more convincing with "a" in place of
>> "the." He was not "the" only great mind of his time even if he was
>> possibly exceptionally influential, partly because, as editor of Faber
>> and Faber, he was able to define who mattered, and he did not hesitate
>> to assert his own judgment.
> POSSIBLY??? Because he was an editor!? God help us. Anyhow, call
> for "diverse readings" all you want; one of them would certainly be that
> Eliot was "the literary mind par excellence." Many "educated and
> continuing readers of Eliot" have said so, contrary to what many
> advocates of "diverse readings" prefer to believe. You want to privilege
> one side of the rift; CR the other. You don't need to control all
> threads to pursue your interests. Cowley awaits. For myself, I'm
> reminded of Ted Hughes' "Dancer to God" and will review that piece that
> I've not seen for some years.
> Ken A
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>> My point is that, if this is supposed to show up anyone who fails to
>> recognize Eliot's poetic brilliance or historic influence, it's very
>> old news and no one is disagreeing. This is aimed at educated readers
>> who are not scholars or continuing readers of Eliot, as I assume
>> everyone on this list is. I think this list should move well beyond
>> all this totally contrived and empty challenging of diverse readings
>> as either properly idealizing or not and try to have some discussion
>> of Eliot as a poet and critic from many points of view.
>> In a (no doubt mad) attempt to do that--I'm reading Eliot's prose
>> again. Does he discuss Cowley somewhere other than in "The
>> Metaphysical Poets" and the essay on Marvell? I'll be looking, but
>> I'm interested if anyone knows right away, and I'm interested in how
>> he rated Cowley. He was countering Samuel Johnson's dismissal of the
>> metaphysicals, but he made distinctions.
>> >>> Chokh Raj 10/09/11 10:22 PM >>>
>> T.S. Eliot and the Demise of the Literary Culture
>> Joseph Epstein
>> 8 Nov 2010
>> Compels you to sit back and take note.