I suppose, during and after the "great war" it would be quite commonplace
for women to be doing
just about all the jobs around.
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From: "Carrol Cox" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: 'The Waste Land' - a recitation (was Re: vis-a-vis 'Four
> On 9/9/2011 4:22 PM, David Boyd wrote:
>> Have always seen the 'hurry up......' exhortations as 'voices off'' and
>> commonplace to an English pub session as not to be too relevant at all
>> to the gender or whatever of the person in charge of the bar - surely
>> matters not a jot ?
>> Of course there is irony and ambiguity in this context in the words it's
>> time', but 'Time Gentlemen Please !' and 'Can we please have yer glasses'
>> are / were very very commonplace cries at the (enforced) hour of closing
>> UK bars and pubs, and Eliot's portrayal just at one level provides
>> authenticity for the whole working class pub session scenario.
> Any non-frivolous discussion of the lines _begins_ with taking David's
> point for granted. That's where interpretation begins, fitting the
> bartender's words first into the conversation it interrupts, then into the
> framework of that section of the poem, and (skipping a couple steps) into
> the obsession with time that characterizes Eliot's poetic work. Trying to
> take the words away from the bartender, or fussing about the speaker's
> gender seems like a deliberate attempt to disrupt discussion. And when
> such disruptions begin to characterize almost all list conversation, you
> have the death of the list as a serious response to Eliot or even as
> light entertainmenbt for those interested in the poems rather than the
> sound of their own voices in an echo chamber.