It might be useful to corncider the ground of Dido/Aeneas.
Venus/Aphrofite (Dionysian) was pulling Dido's strings. Juno/what's her name
(Apollonian) was pulling Aeneas' strings. Juno won.
Now seriously folks, was Eliot Dionysian or Apollonian, at least in his
Definitely fundamentalist. No question.
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From: "Rickard A. Parker" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 4:56 AM
Subject: Re: Eliot and Virgil
> Nancy Gish wrote:
> > I have been wondering about Eliot's fascination with the scene of Dido
> > and Aeneas in the underworld. I don't have the text at hand just
> > now--it's in the essay on Virgil--but he seems to feel an affinity with
> One of Eliot's favorite images is turning. Here we have Dido turning
> away from Aeneas. In "La Figlia Che Piange" we also have turning and an
> epigraph form the _Aeneid_.
> > I think Virgil's idea of the Augustan "peace"--a united world--must have
> > give Eliot a model.
> I haven't given this much thought but perhaps it may have to do with
> prophesy. Here Eliot is writing about poets and prophets and it reminds
> me of what Hermann Hesse wrote in "A Glimpse into Chaos":
> That Virgil was himself consciously concerned only with
> domestic affairs or with Roman politics I feel sure: I
> think that he would have been very much astonished by
> the career which his fourth Eclogue was to have. If a
> prophet were by definition a man who understood the
> full meaning of what he was saying, this would be for
> me the end of the matter. But if the word ‘inspiration’
> is to have any meaning, it must mean just this, that
> the speaker or writer is uttering something which he
> does not wholly understand—or which he may even
> misinterpret when the inspiration has departed from
> him. This is certainly true of poetic inspiration: and
> there is more obvious reason for admiring Isaiah as a
> poet than for claiming Virgil as a prophet. A poet may
> believe that he is expressing only his private
> experience; his lines may be for him only a means of
> talking about himself without giving himself away; yet
> for his readers what he has written may come to be the
> expression both of their own secret feelings and of the
> exultation and despair of a generation. He need not
> know what his poetry will come to mean to others; and a
> prophet need not understand the meaning of his
> prophetic utterance.
> BTW: I searched out the quote and copied it from a blog.
> I think Peter at least would like to check this out.
> Info on the article:
> 'A New Begetting Now Descends from Heaven's Height'—Virgil's Messianic
> Info on the site:
> 'A Refuge for the Weary and the Oppressed, and a Treasury of Good
> Counsel and Wise Lore'
> Aaron Taylor
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