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Re: Eliot and Virgil

From:

Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]>

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T. S. Eliot Discussion forum.

Date:

Fri, 8 Apr 2011 20:31:25 -0800

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It might be useful to corncider the ground of Dido/Aeneas.
Venus/Aphrofite (Dionysian) was pulling Dido's strings. Juno/what's her name
(Apollonian) was pulling Aeneas' strings. Juno won.

Now seriously folks, was Eliot Dionysian or Apollonian, at least in his
Possumic pose?
Definitely fundamentalist. No question.

P.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rickard A. Parker" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 4:56 AM
Subject: Re: Eliot and Virgil


> Nancy Gish wrote:
> > I have been wondering about Eliot's fascination with the scene of Dido
> > and Aeneas in the underworld.  I don't have the text at hand just
> > now--it's in the essay on Virgil--but he seems to feel an affinity with
it.
>
> One of Eliot's favorite images is turning.  Here we have Dido turning
> away from Aeneas.  In "La Figlia Che Piange" we also have turning and an
> epigraph form the _Aeneid_.
>
>
> > I think Virgil's idea of the Augustan "peace"--a united world--must have
> > give Eliot a model.
>
> I haven't given this much thought but perhaps it may have to do with
> prophesy.  Here Eliot is writing about poets and prophets and it reminds
> me of what Hermann Hesse wrote in "A Glimpse into Chaos":
>
>     That Virgil was himself consciously concerned only with
>     domestic affairs or with Roman politics I feel sure: I
>     think that he would have been very much astonished by
>     the career which his fourth Eclogue was to have. If a
>     prophet were by definition a man who understood the
>     full meaning of what he was saying, this would be for
>     me the end of the matter. But if the word ‘inspiration’
>     is to have any meaning, it must mean just this, that
>     the speaker or writer is uttering something which he
>     does not wholly understand—or which he may even
>     misinterpret when the inspiration has departed from
>     him. This is certainly true of poetic inspiration: and
>     there is more obvious reason for admiring Isaiah as a
>     poet than for claiming Virgil as a prophet. A poet may
>     believe that he is expressing only his private
>     experience; his lines may be for him only a means of
>     talking about himself without giving himself away; yet
>     for his readers what he has written may come to be the
>     expression both of their own secret feelings and of the
>     exultation and despair of a generation. He need not
>     know what his poetry will come to mean to others; and a
>     prophet need not understand the meaning of his
>     prophetic utterance.
>
>
> BTW: I searched out the quote and copied it from a blog.
> I think Peter at least would like to check this out.
>
> Info on the article:
>
>
http://logismoitouaaron.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-begetting-now-descends-from-heavens.html
> 'A New Begetting Now Descends from Heaven's Height'—Virgil's Messianic
> Eclogue
>
> Info on the site:
>
> Logismoi
>
> 'A Refuge for the Weary and the Oppressed, and a Treasury of Good
> Counsel and Wise Lore'
>
> Aaron Taylor
>      I am an Orthodox Christian layman (Russian Orthodox Church Abroad)
> in my thirties, a husband and father of two, a graduate student in moral
> theology, & now a classical school teacher. I enjoy conversation,
> reading, and drinking beer and coffee. 600 characters is not nearly
> enough to list my favourite books. I like British orthographical
> conventions, and no, I'm not a priest.

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