Interesting. When & where did he say it? The references Google turns up are
all to cluttered for my eyesight. I gather it was from a very young Tom
Doesn't he somewhere say something like, "We fight not in the hope of
triumph but to keep something alive"? That was the thrust but my version
here is far off from his actual words.
"Progress," of course, is ambiguous. One of its senses is to name a whole
worldview developed in the 19th-c, grounded mostly in the radical
technological growth of the century, in the successes of British
Imperialism, and pop versions of Darwin (and sometimes equally pop versions
of Marx). Yeats adopted (roughly) the ancient idea of history as circular:
All things fall and are built again,
And those who build them again are gay.
Marianne Moore did seem to really believe in progress: she was a fan of both
baseball and Richard Nixon. Nevertheless she was a great poet.
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Subject: Re: Attitudes / PrejudiceHere is a famous brief account of change
in the modern relations and thought. Does it in any way resemble Eliot's
various comments on modern culture in either his prose works or his poems?
Carrol Cox wrote:
> Here is a famous brief account of change in the modern relations and
> thought. Does it in any way resemble Eliot's various comments on modern
> culture in either his prose works or his poems?
> All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and
> prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new formed ones become
> antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all
> that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober
> senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind'.
And let thy motto be, proud and serene,
Still as the years pass by, the word "Progress!"