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TSE November 2010

Subject:

Fw: The Art of TS Eliot

From:

Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]>

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T. S. Eliot Discussion forum.

Date:

Mon, 1 Nov 2010 14:03:10 -0800

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The Glastonbury Tor is something else too.
P.

Quoting Mike Callaghan <[log in to unmask]>:

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> When I first came upon Stonehenge c.1959 I was walking from Salisbury and
> will never forget turning the corner on the road from Amesbury and
suddenly
> seeing, on the open plain-the stones.  I don't think it looks half as
> dramatic these days, maybe wider roads and the fence around it.
> Similarly, some 'monuments' which I used to play on as a kid are now
tourist
> attractions.  My prime example is the water wheel which formed part of the
> lead mines in Weardale and is now the Killhope Big Wheel and is visited by
> 1000's (includes a trip down the lead mine).
> I can't match David's experience  but I remember when I was a teenager
> visting a Roman fort late at night (again these places were open then)
> Corstopitum or Corbridge as it is now known.  An eerie experience, but I
> think more to do with my perception.
>
> Mike
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Mon, Nov 1, 2010 12:07 pm
> Subject: Re: The Art of TS Eliot
>
>
> I confess to a strong fascination with Stonehenge/Arthurian mythology.
> It is a sense of connection to the subconscious or something.
>
> I made a point of seeing it along with Salisbury Cathedral.
> My first impressions were of disappointment. I had made it so big in my
> imagination,
> and it seemed so human and down to earth. Still, givwen what we know
> of it's construction, it is quite phenomenal.
>
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: David Boyd
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: The Art of TS Eliot
>
>
>
> Re Stonehenge, despite its present sanitization, it's still I think
thrilling
> to behold before one, when it first appears into view from the highway.
>
> We have a similar stone circle nearby called Castlerigg near Keswick. It
is
> magnificently situated itself within a surrounding circle of mountains,
and
> consists of an 'inner circle' contained within a wider one.
>
> One day, returning home from a business trip, on a whim I took a small
detour
> to Castlerigg, and parked the car and entered the field and gawped at the
> vista in which the circle is set and entered the outer circle and then the
> inner one.
>
> But as soon as I stepped into the inner one it was as if my skull had
become
> a pressure-cooker - the feeling of pressure and pain was overwhelming and
I
> had to get out of there pronto.
>
> Until this experience, I'd rather scoffed at those who attach mystical
> purposes to these places, but now I'm not so sure at all..........
>
> (this is NOT just made-up for Halloween - it's a true story, believe me !)
>
> regards
>
> David
> Seascale, Cumbria, UK
>
> On 31 October 2010 17:32, Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
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>
> What a parallelism -- unparalleled -- brings the subject to fruition!
>
> Thanks,
>  CR
>
> --- On Sun, 10/31/10, Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Reminds me of Eliot's
>
> The Auditory Imagination:
>       =========================
>  the feeling for syllable and rhythm penetrating far below the conscious
>  levels of thought and feeling, invigorating every word; sinking to the
>  most primitive and forgotten, returning to the origin and bringing
> something
>  back, seeking the beginning and the end. It works through meanings,
>  certainly, or not without meanings in the ordinary sense, and fuses the
>  old and obliterated and the trite, the current, and the new and
surprising,
>  the most ancient and the most civilized mentality. (118)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>       Eliot,T.S. "Matthew Arnold." THE USE OF POETRY AND THE USE OF
>           CRITICISM. London: Faber, 1933.
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>
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Chokh Raj
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 7:21 AM
> Subject: Re: The Art of TS Eliot
>
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>
> The Geometry of Stonehenge: pure poetry
> http://www.stonehenge.tv/geometry.html
>
> Time to puzzle out the architectonics of Eliot's poetry!
>
> CR
>
>
> --- On Fri, 10/29/10, mikemail <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> I believe the most recent and verifiable research indicates that
Stonehenge
> was actually a place of worship/pilgrimage.  The approaches have been
> investigated and shown as ceremonial ávenues' or suchlike which prepared
the
> worshipper.
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Richard Seddon
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 2:40 AM
> Subject: Re: The Art of TS Eliot
>
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>
> I think man?Ts facility with using time as a discrete unit of experience
has
> been around for a long, long time.  Witness  water clocks which I believe
> were introduced during the new kingdom of Egypt.  Astronomical works such
as
> what Stonehenge is reputed to be imply considerable familiarity with time
as
> discrete units.
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> Rhythm, which has been around since Ugh repeatedly knocked one piece of
wood
> against another, uses discrete units of time.
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> As noted Newton introduced an abstract appreciation of time with his
> invention of differentiation  in what was to become the Calculus.
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> Richard Seddon
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> Portales, NM
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> From: T. S. Eliot Discussion forum. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of
> Carrol Cox
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:07 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: The Art of TS Eliot
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> I don?Tt know. That wasn?Tt brought  up in the work I learned  this
from.
> It?Ts an interesting question though.
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> Carrol
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> From: T. S. Eliot Discussion forum. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of
> Peter Dillane
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:06 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: The Art of TS Eliot
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