I recently joined Ducks Unlimited, also hoping to create more habitat up 
north in the breeding area.
Bob Lewis   Farmington   St. Francois County
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From: "Bob Fisher" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:42 AM
Subject: Re: Dorothy and Toto


>I would be happy to buy a hunting licrnse and state duck stamp if it would 
>get me into waterfowl CAs to bird during non-hunting hours after October 
>15th. If I'm going to be excluded because I don't hunt waterfowl, even at 
>times and parts of the refuge where it would not interfere with hunting, I 
>shall continue to feel like a second class citizen and will do something 
>else with my money.
>
> Bob Fisher
> Independence, MO
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> From: "Linda Williams" <[log in to unmask]>
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> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Dorothy and Toto
>
>
>>I think the point is that the money from CACHE and SPARKS is money that 
>>MDC and DNR already had.  It's just able to be redirected to the specific 
>>projects because of the contribution of data from ASM.  Licenses and duck 
>>stamps would put additional monies into the respective systems.  Also, 
>>numbers of duck stamps are not really used for enumeration of hunters 
>>since many of them are purchased by collectors and everyone knows that. 
>>Unfortunately, since hunting is a declining sport, duck stamp purchases 
>>have declined about 30% since the 1970s.
>>
>> Can't speak for Doug, but I don't think he meant that only those who buy 
>> duck stamps are supporting NWRs.  I think he meant that a whole lot more 
>> additional money could go toward supporting habitat conservation by 
>> purchasing them.  CACHE money is a drop in the bucket for NWRs and most 
>> of the CACHE money won't be spent on NWRs, rather it will be used toward 
>> a variety of projects managed by either state or federal agencies or 
>> partnerships of varied entities.  ASM is a small non-profit as Jim stated 
>> and we're not talking large amounts of money although I'm sure it is 
>> helpful and well-appreciated.  Also, I don't think most NWRs are managed 
>> specifically for hunting - all wildlife benefits.  You can't support one 
>> type of species without considering the entire ecosystem and food chain.
>>
>> We are indeed very lucky in MO to have the MDC and to have it fairly 
>> well-funded as well.  CACHE and SPARKS are a terrific way for birders to 
>> support habitat conservation without having to contribute money directly. 
>> The "step further" to me is to actually spend extra money by purchasing 
>> duck stamps, licenses, etc.; to contribute to organizations that spend 
>> wisely to make a difference; to physically help with local restoration or 
>> habitat maintenance projects; and to make direct donations toward 
>> conservation programs.  (And yes, I know not everyone can do all of those 
>> things.)
>>
>> It's all good - let's get back to birding reports...
>>
>> Linda Williams
>> Liberty, Clay County, MO
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>>
>> ---- June <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> =============
>> Doug,
>>
>> CACHE is not a step behind Duck Stamps.  If anything it is the "step
>> further" because it gives support to public land management
>> strategies that are broader than promotion of game bird hunting.
>> Total purchases of Duck Stamps provide statistics easily used to
>> indicate support of citizens for hunting interests.  CACHE use
>> identifies the growing number of citizens who, for the most part are
>> not anti-hunting, and appreciate the contribution to bird habitat
>> made by hunting interests, but who also recognize the need for
>> management that goes a step further and manages for all birds, not
>> exclusively for game birds.  CACHE use identifies a growing number of
>> folks whose specific right to access  public lands for observation of
>> birds  is equal to the rights of hunters, but whose rights are not
>> always recognized by local management.
>>
>> I take issue with your implication that only those who buy duck
>> stamps are "assuring these treasures will be here for future
>> generations."  There are many ways to help make that guarantee, and
>> you don't corner the market,  IMHO.
>>
>> June Newman
>> Carrollton, MO
>>
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2009, at 5:20 PM, Doug Willis wrote:
>> Mobirders:
>> Yes, we are VERY lucky to have the Missouri Department of
>> Conservation public lands and programs. CACHE is fine, but why not
>> take it a step further and buy a hunting/fishing license and truly
>> support MDC?! Also, documenting the hypothetical bird in question for
>> the Missouri Bird Records Committee would add to the ornithological
>> record in an even more substantial way. Want to support Big Muddy
>> NWR, Mingo NWR, Squaw Creek NWR and Swan Lake NWR? Buy a duck stamp
>> and join the rest of us in assuring these treasures will be here for
>> future generations.
>> Respectfully,
>> Doug Willis
>> Liberty, MO
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