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MOBIRDS-L August 2009, Week 3

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Re: MOBIRDS-L Digest - 17 Aug 2009 to 18 Aug 2009 (#2009-230)

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Bill,
Those peregrine shots were exciting.  How far away were you from this?
Dave Ulmer
On Aug 18, 2009, at 8:00 PM, MOBIRDS-L automatic digest system wrote:

> There are 26 messages totalling 4631 lines in this issue.
>
> Topics of the day:
>
>   1. Smithville Lake 8-17-09 (2)
>   2. RMBS. peeps
>   3. Dorothy and Toto (7)
>   4. Thompson River Wetland, Livingston Co.
>   5. Hunting licenses for non-hunters?
>   6. Eagle Bluffs sightings and wildlife magic
>   7. wildlife magic
>   8. hummingbirds (2)
>   9. Carlyle and SW IL reports
>  10. Fw: Duck Stamps
>  11. Duck Stamps (2)
>  12. Thayer's/Iceland Gulls
>  13. Waterfowl season access
>  14. St. Louis area Piping Plovers IL birds
>  15. Riverlands MBS
>  16. Eagle Bluffs Shorebird I.D. totay
>  17. RFI: St. Louis Area
>
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> Date:    Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:40:10 -0700
> From:    Doug Willis <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Smithville Lake 8-17-09
>
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> Hello All:
> A nice "wave" of early fall migrants evidently rode the cold front  
> in to Smithville Lake (Clay County, MO). Birds observed at Little  
> Platte Marina (day fee required) and from the dam (no day fee  
> required) appx. 6:00-8:00pm. Highlights:
> Ring-Billed Gull-275 (all 3 plumages and variations)
> Caspian Tern-16
> Forster's Tern-30
> Sterna, sp.-80 (large flock cruised by the Hwy. W bridge heading to  
> Honker Cove)
> Black Tern-180 (main body of lake at sunset)
> Of particular interest and beauty were the flocks of RBGU's, with a  
> few Black Terns mixed in, swirling above the fescue catching bugs.  
> Some of the BLTE's had a distinctive brownish tone (juvenile birds)  
> and really threw me at first. Another oddity was observing the  
> adaptability of House Sparrows, seen gleaning mashed bugs from the  
> grillwork of parked cars! Also of interest was the high water level  
> from last night and today's heavy rains. The sand spits and jetties  
> were underwater, forcing the gulls and terns to preen on the  
> boatslips at Little Platte Marina, allowing very close views.
> Good Birding,
> Doug Willis
> Liberty, MO
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> <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td  
> valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Hello All:</DIV>
> <DIV>A nice "wave" of early fall migrants evidently rode the cold  
> front in to Smithville Lake (Clay County, MO). Birds observed at  
> Little Platte Marina (day fee required) and from the dam (no day  
> fee required) appx. 6:00-8:00pm. Highlights:</DIV>
> <DIV>Ring-Billed Gull-275 (all 3 plumages and variations)</DIV>
> <DIV>Caspian Tern-16</DIV>
> <DIV>Forster's Tern-30</DIV>
> <DIV>Sterna, sp.-80 (large flock cruised by the Hwy. W bridge  
> heading to Honker Cove)</DIV>
> <DIV>Black Tern-180 (main body of lake at sunset)</DIV>
> <DIV>Of particular interest and beauty were the flocks of RBGU's,  
> with a few Black Terns mixed in, swirling above the fescue catching  
> bugs. Some of the BLTE's had a distinctive brownish tone (juvenile  
> birds) and really threw me at first. Another oddity was observing  
> the adaptability of House Sparrows, seen gleaning mashed bugs from  
> the grillwork of parked cars! Also of interest was the high water  
> level from last night and today's heavy rains. The sand spits and  
> jetties were underwater, forcing the gulls and terns to preen on  
> the boatslips at Little Platte Marina, allowing very close views. </ 
> DIV>
> <DIV>Good Birding,</DIV>
> <DIV>Doug Willis</DIV>
> <DIV>Liberty, MO</DIV>
> <DIV><A href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
> A> </DIV></td></tr></table><br>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:06:30 -0700
> From:    Bill Rudden <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: RMBS. peeps
>
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> Riverlands Migratory Bird Sanctuary.=A0 St. Charles county MO.
> =A0
> HY Least Sandpipers are in=A0showing crisp plumage.=A0 Finely  
> streak buff b=
> reast:
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/42009/8-15-09g.jpg
> rufous-based, white-tipped, dark scapulars:
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/42009/8-15-09g2.jpg
> here juxtaposed with a drab/grey winter adult:
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/42009/8-15-09g3.jpg
> =A0
> Western Sandpiper (L)=A0showing rufous scaps. and chevrons on the  
> flanks:
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/42009/8-17-09c.jpg
> Here find Least, Semipalmated and Western:
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/42009/8-17-09c2.jpg
> =A0
> Old white rump came in and snatched a sandpiper:
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/42009/8-17-09a4.jpg
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/42009/8-17-09a.jpg
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/42009/8-17-09a2.jpg
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/42009/8-17-09a3.jpg
> =A0
> NON-BIRD. Smooth Softshell Turtle:=A0the=A0hard to find softshell.
> Back marked w/dots and dashes; no spikes on collar:
> http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/42009/8-15-09h.jpg
> =A0
> LBIMO
> Bill Rudden
> St. Louis
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> =A0
> =A0
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> <table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td  
> valign=3D"=
> top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV><STRONG>Riverlands Migratory  
> Bird Sanctu=
> ary.&nbsp; St. Charles county MO.</STRONG></DIV>
> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><STRONG>HY Least Sandpipers are in&nbsp;showing crisp  
> plumage.&nbsp; F=
> inely streak buff breast:</STRONG></DIV>
> <DIV><A href=3D"http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/ 
> 42009/8-15-0=
> 9g.jpg"><STRONG>http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/ 
> 42009/8-15-0=
> 9g.jpg</STRONG></A></DIV>
> <DIV><STRONG>rufous-based, white-tipped, dark scapulars:</STRONG></ 
> DIV>
> <DIV><A href=3D"http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/ 
> 42009/8-15-0=
> 9g2.jpg"><STRONG>http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/ 
> 42009/8-15-=
> 09g2.jpg</STRONG></A></DIV>
> <DIV><STRONG>here juxtaposed with a drab/grey winter adult:</ 
> STRONG></DIV>
> <DIV><A href=3D"http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/ 
> 42009/8-15-0=
> 9g3.jpg"><STRONG>http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/ 
> 42009/8-15-=
> 09g3.jpg</STRONG></A></DIV>
> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><STRONG>Western Sandpiper (L)&nbsp;showing rufous scaps. and  
> chevrons =
> on the flanks:</STRONG></DIV>
> <DIV><A href=3D"http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/ 
> 42009/8-17-0=
> 9c.jpg"><STRONG>http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/ 
> 42009/8-17-0=
> 9c.jpg</STRONG></A></DIV>
> <DIV><STRONG>Here find Least, Semipalmated and Western:</STRONG></DIV>
> <DIV><A href=3D"http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/ 
> 42009/8-17-0=
> 9c2.jpg"><STRONG>http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/ 
> 42009/8-17-=
> 09c2.jpg</STRONG></A></DIV>
> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><STRONG>Old white rump came in and snatched a sandpiper:</ 
> STRONG></DIV=
>>
> <DIV><A href=3D"http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/ 
> 42009/8-17-0=
> 9a4.jpg"><STRONG>http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/ 
> 42009/8-17-=
> 09a4.jpg</STRONG></A></DIV>
> <DIV><A href=3D"http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/ 
> 42009/8-17-0=
> 9a.jpg"><STRONG>http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/ 
> 42009/8-17-0=
> 9a.jpg</STRONG></A></DIV>
> <DIV><A href=3D"http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/ 
> 42009/8-17-0=
> 9a2.jpg"><STRONG>http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/ 
> 42009/8-17-=
> 09a2.jpg</STRONG></A></DIV>
> <DIV><A href=3D"http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/ 
> 42009/8-17-0=
> 9a3.jpg"><STRONG>http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/ 
> 42009/8-17-=
> 09a3.jpg</STRONG></A></DIV>
> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><STRONG>NON-BIRD. Smooth Softshell Turtle:&nbsp;the&nbsp;hard  
> to find =
> softshell.</STRONG></DIV>
> <DIV><STRONG>Back marked w/dots and dashes; no spikes on collar:</ 
> STRONG></=
> DIV>
> <DIV><A href=3D"http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/ 
> 42009/8-15-0=
> 9h.jpg"><STRONG>http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/ 
> 42009/8-15-0=
> 9h.jpg</STRONG></A></DIV>
> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>LBIMO</DIV>
> <DIV>Bill Rudden</DIV>
> <DIV>St. Louis</DIV>
> <DIV>[log in to unmask]</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><A href=3D"http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/bilrudn/ 
> 42009/8-15-0=
> 9g2.jpg"></A>&nbsp;</DIV></td></tr></table>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:18:33 -0500
> From:    June <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Dorothy and Toto
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> Doug,
>
> CACHE is not a step behind Duck Stamps.  If anything it is the "step
> further" because it gives support to public land management
> strategies that are broader than promotion of game bird hunting.
> Total purchases of Duck Stamps provide statistics easily used to
> indicate support of citizens for hunting interests.  CACHE use
> identifies the growing number of citizens who, for the most part are
> not anti-hunting, and appreciate the contribution to bird habitat
> made by hunting interests, but who also recognize the need for
> management that goes a step further and manages for all birds, not
> exclusively for game birds.  CACHE use identifies a growing number of
> folks whose specific right to access  public lands for observation of
> birds  is equal to the rights of hunters, but whose rights are not
> always recognized by local management.
>
> I take issue with your implication that only those who buy duck
> stamps are "assuring these treasures will be here for future
> generations."  There are many ways to help make that guarantee, and
> you don't corner the market,  IMHO.
>
> June Newman
> Carrollton, MO
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2009, at 5:20 PM, Doug Willis wrote:
> Mobirders:
> Yes, we are VERY lucky to have the Missouri Department of
> Conservation public lands and programs. CACHE is fine, but why not
> take it a step further and buy a hunting/fishing license and truly
> support MDC?! Also, documenting the hypothetical bird in question for
> the Missouri Bird Records Committee would add to the ornithological
> record in an even more substantial way. Want to support Big Muddy
> NWR, Mingo NWR, Squaw Creek NWR and Swan Lake NWR? Buy a duck stamp
> and join the rest of us in assuring these treasures will be here for
> future generations.
> Respectfully,
> Doug Willis
> Liberty, MO
> [log in to unmask]
>
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> <html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode:  
> space; =
> -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style=3D"margin-top:  
> 0px; =
> margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font =
> face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px =
> Helvetica">Doug,&nbsp;</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
> margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font:  
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> normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></ 
> div><div =
> style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
> margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3"  
> style=3D"font: =
> 12.0px Helvetica">CACHE is not a step behind Duck Stamps. &nbsp;If =
> anything it is the "step further" because it gives support to public =
> land management strategies that are broader than promotion of game  
> bird =
> hunting. &nbsp;Total purchases of Duck Stamps provide statistics  
> easily =
> used to indicate support of citizens for hunting interests.  
> &nbsp;CACHE =
> use identifies the growing number of citizens who, for the most  
> part are =
> not anti-hunting, and appreciate the contribution to bird habitat  
> made =
> by hunting interests, but who also recognize the need for management =
> that goes a step further and manages for all birds, not exclusively  
> for =
> game birds. &nbsp;CACHE use identifies a growing number of folks  
> whose =
> specific right to access &nbsp;public lands for observation of birds =
> &nbsp;is equal to the rights of hunters, but whose rights are not  
> always =
> recognized by local management. &nbsp;</font></div><div =
> style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
> margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; =
> min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
> margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font =
> face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">I  
> take =
> issue with your implication that only those who buy duck stamps are =
> "assuring these treasures will be here for future generations." =
> &nbsp;There are many ways to help make that guarantee, and you don't =
> corner the market, &nbsp;IMHO. &nbsp;</font></div><div =
> style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
> margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; =
> min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
> margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font =
> face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">June =
> Newman</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
> margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" =
> size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">Carrollton, =
> MO</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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> 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div =
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> margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font =
> face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">On  
> Aug =
> 17, 2009, at 5:20 PM, Doug Willis wrote:</font></div> <table =
> cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign=3D"top" =
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> margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3"  
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> 12.0px Helvetica">Mobirders:</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top:  
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> margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font =
> face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">Yes,  
> we =
> are VERY lucky to have the Missouri Department of Conservation  
> public =
> lands and programs. CACHE is fine, but why not take it a step  
> further =
> and buy a hunting/fishing license and truly support MDC?! Also, =
> documenting the hypothetical bird in question for the Missouri Bird =
> Records Committee would add to the ornithological record in an =
> even&nbsp;more substantial way. Want to support Big Muddy NWR, Mingo =
> NWR, Squaw Creek NWR and Swan Lake NWR? Buy a duck stamp and join  
> the =
> rest of us in assuring these treasures will be here for future =
> generations.</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin- 
> right: =
> 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font  
> face=3D"Helvetica" =
> size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px =
> Helvetica">Respectfully,</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
> margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font =
> face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">Doug =
> Willis</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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> Date:    Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:29:06 -0700
> From:    Dianne & Steve Kinder <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Thompson River Wetland, Livingston Co.
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> I went out to TRW this afternoon after the RAIN finally stopped -  
> NINE inch=
> es here since Sat. night!=A0 Mucho flooding again! The wetland  
> still looks =
> like a Sea of Green, except for the deeper parts -but there is  
> water under =
> much of the vegetation now. No shorebird habitat for shore, in fact  
> didn't =
> even see or hear a Killdeer!=A0 Some birds I=A0did see;
> =A0
> White Pelican - 5=20
> =A0Great Egret - several
> =A0Great Blue Heron - few=20
> Green Heron=20
> =A0Black-crowned Night Heron - 2 imm=20
> Sora - flushed 2 - my FOS migrants
> Blue-winged teal - 300+
> =A0Northern Shoveler - couple
> =A0Wood Duck=20
> Forester's Tern - several=20
> Black Tern - three different groups, total of 60+ heading South -  
> wonder if=
>  they ended up at Smithville Lake tonight?=20
> Sedge Wren - many singing=20
> Marsh Wren - 3 at one place=20
> Bobolink - flock of 25, +=A0smaller groups scattered around=20
> Dickcissels, Song Sparrows, and Indigos in the native Sunflowers
> =A0
> =A0
> =A0I had been hoping to go back to Swan Lake NWR today to check on  
> shorebir=
> ds there. I heard they had lots of rain also, so probably no  
> shorebird habi=
> tat there right now either. Maybe by the wknd? the road over the  
> Spillway a=
> t Silver Lake most likely will be closed again for awhile so wont's  
> be able=
>  to get through from East gate. BTW - hwy 139 West of Sumner is  
> closed for =
> scheduled bridge repairs, in case anyone was planning to get to  
> Swan from t=
> hat direction in the near future.
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> Chillicothe=20
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> top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>I went out to TRW this afternoon  
> after t=
> he RAIN finally stopped - NINE inches here since Sat. night!&nbsp;  
> Mucho fl=
> ooding again! The wetland still looks like a Sea of Green, except  
> for the d=
> eeper parts -but there is water under much of the vegetation now.  
> No shoreb=
> ird habitat for shore, in fact didn't even see or hear a Killdeer! 
> &nbsp; So=
> me birds I&nbsp;did see;</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>White Pelican - 5 </DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;Great Egret - several</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;Great Blue Heron - few </DIV>
> <DIV>Green Heron </DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;Black-crowned Night Heron - 2 imm </DIV>
> <DIV>Sora - flushed 2 - my FOS migrants</DIV>
> <DIV>Blue-winged teal - 300+</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;Northern Shoveler - couple</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;Wood Duck </DIV>
> <DIV>Forester's Tern - several </DIV>
> <DIV>Black Tern - three different groups, total of 60+ heading  
> South - wond=
> er if they ended up at Smithville Lake tonight? </DIV>
> <DIV>Sedge Wren - many singing </DIV>
> <DIV>Marsh Wren - 3 at one place </DIV>
> <DIV>Bobolink - flock of 25, +&nbsp;smaller groups scattered around  
> </DIV>
> <DIV>Dickcissels, Song Sparrows, and Indigos in the native  
> Sunflowers</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;I had been hoping to go back to Swan Lake NWR today to  
> check on =
> shorebirds there. I heard they had lots of rain also, so probably  
> no shoreb=
> ird habitat there right now either. Maybe by the wknd? the road  
> over the Sp=
> illway at Silver Lake most likely will be closed again for awhile  
> so wont's=
>  be able to get through from East gate. BTW - hwy 139 West of  
> Sumner is clo=
> sed for scheduled bridge repairs, in case anyone was planning to  
> get to Swa=
> n from that direction in the near future.</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;later,</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;Steve Kinder </DIV>
> <DIV>Chillicothe </DIV>
> <DIV><A href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A></ 
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> Date:    Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:05:30 -0500
> From:    David Scheu <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Hunting licenses for non-hunters?
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> I certainly agree that anyone who hunts or fishes should obtain the
> appropriate license. But I don't do either myself, and I really don't
> see how it's constructive for me to buy a license I have no  
> intention of
> using. Yes, it would make cash available for habitat, but I'd  
> prefer to
> contribute in a way that doesn't also generate false data about what I
> intend to do on MDC and/or NWR land. Seems to me that if enough
> non-hunters were to buy hunting licenses (and it would take quite a  
> few
> to have a noticeable effect on the budget), measures would be taken to
> meet the apparent increase in demand. Perhaps extended seasons, more
> area off limits during those seasons, more acreage planted to maximize
> numbers of target species, and fewer resources available to manage for
> species that aren't hunted.
> =20
> And perhaps not, but should even one of those results come to pass, it
> would diminish my ability to enjoy MDC and NWR land. So I'm all for
> supporting conservation, and for cooperation between hunters,  
> fishermen,
> birders, and all lovers and users of the outdoors. But falsely
> representing myself just doesn't seem the right way to do it.
> =20
> Dave Scheu
> St. Louis, MO
> [log in to unmask]
> =20
> From: Missouri Wild Bird Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Doug Willis
> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 5:20 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Dorothy and Toto
> =20
> Mobirders:
> Yes, we are VERY lucky to have the Missouri Department of Conservation
> public lands and programs. CACHE is fine, but why not take it a step
> further and buy a hunting/fishing license and truly support MDC?!  
> Also,
> documenting the hypothetical bird in question for the Missouri Bird
> Records Committee would add to the ornithological record in an even  
> more
> substantial way. Want to support Big Muddy NWR, Mingo NWR, Squaw Creek
> NWR and Swan Lake NWR? Buy a duck stamp and join the rest of us in
> assuring these treasures will be here for future generations.
> Respectfully,
> Doug Willis
> Liberty, MO
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> <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT- 
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> class=3D064312802-18082009>I certainly agree that anyone who hunts  
> or =
> fishes=20
> should&nbsp;obtain the appropriate license. But </SPAN>I don't<SPAN=20
> class=3D064312802-18082009> do either myself</SPAN><SPAN=20
> class=3D064312802-18082009>, </SPAN><SPAN =
> class=3D064312802-18082009>and</SPAN>=20
> I<SPAN class=3D064312802-18082009> really don't see how it's =
> </SPAN>constructive=20
> for me to buy a license I have no intention of using. Yes, it would =
> mak<SPAN=20
> class=3D064312802-18082009>e </SPAN>cash available for habitat, but  
> I'd=20
> prefer&nbsp;<SPAN class=3D064312802-18082009>to contribute </ 
> SPAN><SPAN=20
> class=3D064312802-18082009>in a way </SPAN>that doesn't also  
> generate =
> false data=20
> about what I intend to do on MDC and/or NWR land. S<SPAN=20
> class=3D064312802-18082009>eems to me that </SPAN>if enough =
> non-hunters&nbsp;<SPAN=20
> class=3D064312802-18082009>were to buy</SPAN>&nbsp;hunting  
> licenses<SPAN =
>
> class=3D064312802-18082009> (and it would take quite a few to have a =
> noticeable=20
> effect on the budget)</SPAN><SPAN =
> class=3D064312802-18082009>,</SPAN><SPAN=20
> class=3D064312802-18082009> </SPAN>measures&nbsp;<SPAN=20
> class=3D064312802-18082009>would </SPAN>be taken to meet the  
> apparent =
> increase in=20
> demand<SPAN class=3D064312802-18082009>.</SPAN>&nbsp;<SPAN=20
> class=3D064312802-18082009>Perhaps </SPAN>extended seasons, more  
> area =
> off limits=20
> during those se<SPAN class=3D064312802-18082009>asons</SPAN>, =
> more&nbsp;<SPAN=20
> class=3D064312802-18082009>acreage </SPAN><SPAN =
> class=3D064312802-18082009>planted=20
> to maximize numbers&nbsp;of target species, </SPAN>a<SPAN=20
> class=3D064312802-18082009>nd </SPAN><SPAN=20
> class=3D064312802-18082009>fewer</SPAN>&nbsp;<SPAN=20
> class=3D064312802-18082009>resources available&nbsp;to </ 
> SPAN>manage=20
> for&nbsp;species<SPAN class=3D064312802-18082009> that aren't =
> hunted</SPAN><SPAN=20
> class=3D064312802-18082009>.</SPAN></SPAN></P>
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> style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT- 
> SIZE: =
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> mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-themecolor: dark2"><SPAN=20
> class=3D064312802-18082009></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT- 
> SIZE: =
> 11pt; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: =
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> mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-themecolor: dark2"><SPAN=20
> class=3D064312802-18082009>And perhaps not, but =
> should&nbsp;even&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN=20
> class=3D064312802-18082009>one&nbsp;of those results </SPAN><SPAN=20
> class=3D064312802-18082009>come to pass, it would diminish =
> </SPAN>my&nbsp;<SPAN=20
> class=3D064312802-18082009>ability to </SPAN>enjoy MDC and NWR =
> land.<SPAN=20
> class=3D064312802-18082009> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT- 
> SIZE: =
> 11pt; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: =
> minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
> mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-themecolor: dark2"><o:p><SPAN=20
> class=3D064312802-18082009>So I'm all for supporting conservation,  
> and =
> for=20
> cooperation between hunters, fishermen, birders, and all lovers and =
> users of the=20
> outdoors. But falsely representing myself just doesn't seem the  
> right =
> way to do=20
> it.</SPAN></o:p></SPAN></P>
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> class=3D064312802-18082009></SPAN></o:p></SPAN><SPAN=20
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> dark2"><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
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> style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT- 
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> mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-themecolor: dark2">Dave=20
> Scheu<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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> Louis, MO<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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>       <DIV>
>       <P class=3DMsoNormal>Yes, we are VERY lucky to have the  
> Missouri =
> Department=20
>       of Conservation public lands and programs. CACHE is fine, but  
> why =
> not take=20
>       it a step further and buy a hunting/fishing license and truly =
> support=20
>       MDC?! Also, documenting the hypothetical bird in question for  
> the =
> Missouri=20
>       Bird Records Committee would add to the ornithological record  
> in =
> an=20
>       even&nbsp;more substantial way. Want to support Big Muddy NWR, =
> Mingo NWR,=20
>       Squaw Creek NWR and Swan Lake NWR? Buy a duck stamp and join  
> the =
> rest of=20
>       us in assuring these treasures will be here for future=20
>       generations.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
>       <DIV>
>       <P class=3DMsoNormal>Respectfully,<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
>       <DIV>
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> Date:    Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:35:42 -0500
> From:    Linda Williams <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Dorothy and Toto
>
> I think the point is that the money from CACHE and SPARKS is money  
> that MDC and DNR already had.  It's just able to be redirected to  
> the specific projects because of the contribution of data from  
> ASM.  Licenses and duck stamps would put additional monies into the  
> respective systems.  Also, numbers of duck stamps are not really  
> used for enumeration of hunters since many of them are purchased by  
> collectors and everyone knows that.  Unfortunately, since hunting  
> is a declining sport, duck stamp purchases have declined about 30%  
> since the 1970s.
>
> Can't speak for Doug, but I don't think he meant that only those  
> who buy duck stamps are supporting NWRs.  I think he meant that a  
> whole lot more additional money could go toward supporting habitat  
> conservation by purchasing them.  CACHE money is a drop in the  
> bucket for NWRs and most of the CACHE money won't be spent on NWRs,  
> rather it will be used toward a variety of projects managed by  
> either state or federal agencies or partnerships of varied  
> entities.  ASM is a small non-profit as Jim stated and we're not  
> talking large amounts of money although I'm sure it is helpful and  
> well-appreciated.  Also, I don't think most NWRs are managed  
> specifically for hunting - all wildlife benefits.  You can't  
> support one type of species without considering the entire  
> ecosystem and food chain.
>
> We are indeed very lucky in MO to have the MDC and to have it  
> fairly well-funded as well.  CACHE and SPARKS are a terrific way  
> for birders to support habitat conservation without having to  
> contribute money directly.  The "step further" to me is to actually  
> spend extra money by purchasing duck stamps, licenses, etc.; to  
> contribute to organizations that spend wisely to make a difference;  
> to physically help with local restoration or habitat maintenance  
> projects; and to make direct donations toward conservation  
> programs.  (And yes, I know not everyone can do all of those things.)
>
> It's all good - let's get back to birding reports...
>
> Linda Williams
> Liberty, Clay County, MO
> [log in to unmask]
>
>
> ---- June <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> =============
> Doug,
>
> CACHE is not a step behind Duck Stamps.  If anything it is the "step
> further" because it gives support to public land management
> strategies that are broader than promotion of game bird hunting.
> Total purchases of Duck Stamps provide statistics easily used to
> indicate support of citizens for hunting interests.  CACHE use
> identifies the growing number of citizens who, for the most part are
> not anti-hunting, and appreciate the contribution to bird habitat
> made by hunting interests, but who also recognize the need for
> management that goes a step further and manages for all birds, not
> exclusively for game birds.  CACHE use identifies a growing number of
> folks whose specific right to access  public lands for observation of
> birds  is equal to the rights of hunters, but whose rights are not
> always recognized by local management.
>
> I take issue with your implication that only those who buy duck
> stamps are "assuring these treasures will be here for future
> generations."  There are many ways to help make that guarantee, and
> you don't corner the market,  IMHO.
>
> June Newman
> Carrollton, MO
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2009, at 5:20 PM, Doug Willis wrote:
> Mobirders:
> Yes, we are VERY lucky to have the Missouri Department of
> Conservation public lands and programs. CACHE is fine, but why not
> take it a step further and buy a hunting/fishing license and truly
> support MDC?! Also, documenting the hypothetical bird in question for
> the Missouri Bird Records Committee would add to the ornithological
> record in an even more substantial way. Want to support Big Muddy
> NWR, Mingo NWR, Squaw Creek NWR and Swan Lake NWR? Buy a duck stamp
> and join the rest of us in assuring these treasures will be here for
> future generations.
> Respectfully,
> Doug Willis
> Liberty, MO
> [log in to unmask]
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> Date:    Tue, 18 Aug 2009 02:42:26 -0500
> From:    Bob Fisher <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Dorothy and Toto
>
> I would be happy to buy a hunting licrnse and state duck stamp if  
> it would
> get me into waterfowl CAs to bird during non-hunting hours after  
> October
> 15th. If I'm going to be excluded because I don't hunt waterfowl,  
> even at
> times and parts of the refuge where it would not interfere with  
> hunting, I
> shall continue to feel like a second class citizen and will do  
> something
> else with my money.
>
> Bob Fisher
> Independence, MO
> [log in to unmask]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Linda Williams" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Dorothy and Toto
>
>
>> I think the point is that the money from CACHE and SPARKS is money  
>> that MDC
>> and DNR already had.  It's just able to be redirected to the specific
>> projects because of the contribution of data from ASM.  Licenses  
>> and duck
>> stamps would put additional monies into the respective systems.   
>> Also,
>> numbers of duck stamps are not really used for enumeration of  
>> hunters since
>> many of them are purchased by collectors and everyone knows that.
>> Unfortunately, since hunting is a declining sport, duck stamp  
>> purchases
>> have declined about 30% since the 1970s.
>>
>> Can't speak for Doug, but I don't think he meant that only those  
>> who buy
>> duck stamps are supporting NWRs.  I think he meant that a whole  
>> lot more
>> additional money could go toward supporting habitat conservation by
>> purchasing them.  CACHE money is a drop in the bucket for NWRs and  
>> most of
>> the CACHE money won't be spent on NWRs, rather it will be used  
>> toward a
>> variety of projects managed by either state or federal agencies or
>> partnerships of varied entities.  ASM is a small non-profit as Jim  
>> stated
>> and we're not talking large amounts of money although I'm sure it is
>> helpful and well-appreciated.  Also, I don't think most NWRs are  
>> managed
>> specifically for hunting - all wildlife benefits.  You can't  
>> support one
>> type of species without considering the entire ecosystem and food  
>> chain.
>>
>> We are indeed very lucky in MO to have the MDC and to have it fairly
>> well-funded as well.  CACHE and SPARKS are a terrific way for  
>> birders to
>> support habitat conservation without having to contribute money  
>> directly.
>> The "step further" to me is to actually spend extra money by  
>> purchasing
>> duck stamps, licenses, etc.; to contribute to organizations that  
>> spend
>> wisely to make a difference; to physically help with local  
>> restoration or
>> habitat maintenance projects; and to make direct donations toward
>> conservation programs.  (And yes, I know not everyone can do all  
>> of those
>> things.)
>>
>> It's all good - let's get back to birding reports...
>>
>> Linda Williams
>> Liberty, Clay County, MO
>> [log in to unmask]
>>
>>
>> ---- June <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> =============
>> Doug,
>>
>> CACHE is not a step behind Duck Stamps.  If anything it is the "step
>> further" because it gives support to public land management
>> strategies that are broader than promotion of game bird hunting.
>> Total purchases of Duck Stamps provide statistics easily used to
>> indicate support of citizens for hunting interests.  CACHE use
>> identifies the growing number of citizens who, for the most part are
>> not anti-hunting, and appreciate the contribution to bird habitat
>> made by hunting interests, but who also recognize the need for
>> management that goes a step further and manages for all birds, not
>> exclusively for game birds.  CACHE use identifies a growing number of
>> folks whose specific right to access  public lands for observation of
>> birds  is equal to the rights of hunters, but whose rights are not
>> always recognized by local management.
>>
>> I take issue with your implication that only those who buy duck
>> stamps are "assuring these treasures will be here for future
>> generations."  There are many ways to help make that guarantee, and
>> you don't corner the market,  IMHO.
>>
>> June Newman
>> Carrollton, MO
>>
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2009, at 5:20 PM, Doug Willis wrote:
>> Mobirders:
>> Yes, we are VERY lucky to have the Missouri Department of
>> Conservation public lands and programs. CACHE is fine, but why not
>> take it a step further and buy a hunting/fishing license and truly
>> support MDC?! Also, documenting the hypothetical bird in question for
>> the Missouri Bird Records Committee would add to the ornithological
>> record in an even more substantial way. Want to support Big Muddy
>> NWR, Mingo NWR, Squaw Creek NWR and Swan Lake NWR? Buy a duck stamp
>> and join the rest of us in assuring these treasures will be here for
>> future generations.
>> Respectfully,
>> Doug Willis
>> Liberty, MO
>> [log in to unmask]
>>
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>
> Date:    Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:48:24 -0500
> From:    Edge <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Smithville Lake 8-17-09
>
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> Those of us who must spend more time than we would like in urban
> settings have seen this often.  Wrens do it, too.
>
> Edge Wade
> Columbia, MO
> [log in to unmask]
>
> On Aug 17, 2009, at 8:40 PM, Doug Willis wrote:
>
>> Another oddity was observing the adaptability of House Sparrows,
>> seen gleaning mashed bugs from the grillwork of parked cars!
>
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> div><div><a =
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>
> Date:    Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:10:01 -0700
> From:    Patrick Maloney <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Dorothy and Toto
>
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> This is supposed to be a birding list.=A0 It is beginning to sound  
> like one=
>  of the recent town hall meetings with two opposing sides.=A0  
> Please take y=
> our ideological differences off line.
>
> --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Bob Fisher <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> From: Bob Fisher <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Dorothy and Toto
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 2:42 AM
>
>
> I would be happy to buy a hunting licrnse and state duck stamp if  
> it would =
> get me into waterfowl CAs to bird during non-hunting hours after  
> October 15=
> th. If I'm going to be excluded because I don't hunt waterfowl,  
> even at tim=
> es and parts of the refuge where it would not interfere with  
> hunting, I sha=
> ll continue to feel like a second class citizen and will do  
> something else =
> with my money.
>
> Bob Fisher
> Independence, MO
> [log in to unmask]
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Williams"  
> <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Dorothy and Toto
>
>
>> I think the point is that the money from CACHE and SPARKS is money  
>> that M=
> DC and DNR already had.=A0 It's just able to be redirected to the  
> specific =
> projects because of the contribution of data from ASM.=A0 Licenses  
> and duck=
>  stamps would put additional monies into the respective systems.=A0  
> Also, n=
> umbers of duck stamps are not really used for enumeration of  
> hunters since =
> many of them are purchased by collectors and everyone knows that.  
> Unfortuna=
> tely, since hunting is a declining sport, duck stamp purchases have  
> decline=
> d about 30% since the 1970s.
>> =20
>> Can't speak for Doug, but I don't think he meant that only those  
>> who buy =
> duck stamps are supporting NWRs.=A0 I think he meant that a whole  
> lot more =
> additional money could go toward supporting habitat conservation by  
> purchas=
> ing them.=A0 CACHE money is a drop in the bucket for NWRs and most  
> of the C=
> ACHE money won't be spent on NWRs, rather it will be used toward a  
> variety =
> of projects managed by either state or federal agencies or  
> partnerships of =
> varied entities.=A0 ASM is a small non-profit as Jim stated and  
> we're not t=
> alking large amounts of money although I'm sure it is helpful and  
> well-appr=
> eciated.=A0 Also, I don't think most NWRs are managed specifically  
> for hunt=
> ing - all wildlife benefits.=A0 You can't support one type of  
> species witho=
> ut considering the entire ecosystem and food chain.
>> =20
>> We are indeed very lucky in MO to have the MDC and to have it  
>> fairly well=
> -funded as well.=A0 CACHE and SPARKS are a terrific way for birders  
> to supp=
> ort habitat conservation without having to contribute money  
> directly. The "=
> step further" to me is to actually spend extra money by purchasing  
> duck sta=
> mps, licenses, etc.; to contribute to organizations that spend  
> wisely to ma=
> ke a difference; to physically help with local restoration or  
> habitat maint=
> enance projects; and to make direct donations toward conservation  
> programs.=
> =A0 (And yes, I know not everyone can do all of those things.)
>> =20
>> It's all good - let's get back to birding reports...
>> =20
>> Linda Williams
>> Liberty, Clay County, MO
>> [log in to unmask]
>> =20
>> =20
>> ---- June <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> =20
>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>> Doug,
>> =20
>> CACHE is not a step behind Duck Stamps.=A0 If anything it is the  
>> "step
>> further" because it gives support to public land management
>> strategies that are broader than promotion of game bird hunting.
>> Total purchases of Duck Stamps provide statistics easily used to
>> indicate support of citizens for hunting interests.=A0 CACHE use
>> identifies the growing number of citizens who, for the most part are
>> not anti-hunting, and appreciate the contribution to bird habitat
>> made by hunting interests, but who also recognize the need for
>> management that goes a step further and manages for all birds, not
>> exclusively for game birds.=A0 CACHE use identifies a growing  
>> number of
>> folks whose specific right to access=A0 public lands for  
>> observation of
>> birds=A0 is equal to the rights of hunters, but whose rights are not
>> always recognized by local management.
>> =20
>> I take issue with your implication that only those who buy duck
>> stamps are "assuring these treasures will be here for future
>> generations."=A0 There are many ways to help make that guarantee, and
>> you don't corner the market,=A0 IMHO.
>> =20
>> June Newman
>> Carrollton, MO
>> =20
>> =20
>> On Aug 17, 2009, at 5:20 PM, Doug Willis wrote:
>> Mobirders:
>> Yes, we are VERY lucky to have the Missouri Department of
>> Conservation public lands and programs. CACHE is fine, but why not
>> take it a step further and buy a hunting/fishing license and truly
>> support MDC?! Also, documenting the hypothetical bird in question for
>> the Missouri Bird Records Committee would add to the ornithological
>> record in an even more substantial way. Want to support Big Muddy
>> NWR, Mingo NWR, Squaw Creek NWR and Swan Lake NWR? Buy a duck stamp
>> and join the rest of us in assuring these treasures will be here for
>> future generations.
>> Respectfully,
>> Doug Willis
>> Liberty, MO
>> [log in to unmask]
>> =20
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> top" style=3D"font: inherit;">This is supposed to be a birding  
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> It is beginning to sound like one of the recent town hall meetings  
> with two=
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> line.<B=
> R><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 8/18/09, Bob Fisher  
> <I>&lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;<=
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> &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;<B=
> R>Subject: Re: Dorothy and Toto<BR>To: MOBIRDS- 
> [log in to unmask]<BR>Date: T=
> uesday, August 18, 2009, 2:42 AM<BR><BR>
> <DIV class=3DplainMail>I would be happy to buy a hunting licrnse  
> and state =
> duck stamp if it would get me into waterfowl CAs to bird during non- 
> hunting=
>  hours after October 15th. If I'm going to be excluded because I  
> don't hunt=
>  waterfowl, even at times and parts of the refuge where it would  
> not interf=
> ere with hunting, I shall continue to feel like a second class  
> citizen and =
> will do something else with my money.<BR><BR>Bob  
> Fisher<BR>Independence, MO=
> <BR><A href=3D"http://us.mc820.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose? 
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> &gt;<BR>Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:35 PM<BR>Subject: Re:  
> Dorothy and =
> Toto<BR><BR><BR>&gt; I think the point is that the money from CACHE  
> and SPA=
> RKS is money that MDC and DNR already had.&nbsp; It's just able to  
> be redir=
> ected to the specific projects because of the contribution of data  
> from ASM=
> .&nbsp; Licenses and duck stamps would put additional monies into  
> the respe=
> ctive systems.&nbsp; Also, numbers of duck stamps are not really  
> used for e=
> numeration of hunters since many of them are purchased by  
> collectors and ev=
> eryone knows that. Unfortunately, since hunting is a declining  
> sport, duck =
> stamp purchases have declined about 30% since the 1970s.<BR>&gt;  
> <BR>&gt; C=
> an't speak for Doug, but I don't think he meant that only those who  
> buy duc=
> k stamps are supporting NWRs.&nbsp; I think he meant that a whole  
> lot more =
> additional money could go toward supporting habitat conservation by
>  purchasing them.&nbsp; CACHE money is a drop in the bucket for  
> NWRs and mo=
> st of the CACHE money won't be spent on NWRs, rather it will be  
> used toward=
>  a variety of projects managed by either state or federal agencies  
> or partn=
> erships of varied entities.&nbsp; ASM is a small non-profit as Jim  
> stated a=
> nd we're not talking large amounts of money although I'm sure it is  
> helpful=
>  and well-appreciated.&nbsp; Also, I don't think most NWRs are  
> managed spec=
> ifically for hunting - all wildlife benefits.&nbsp; You can't  
> support one t=
> ype of species without considering the entire ecosystem and food  
> chain.<BR>=
> &gt; <BR>&gt; We are indeed very lucky in MO to have the MDC and to  
> have it=
>  fairly well-funded as well.&nbsp; CACHE and SPARKS are a terrific  
> way for =
> birders to support habitat conservation without having to  
> contribute money =
> directly. The "step further" to me is to actually spend extra money  
> by purc=
> hasing duck stamps, licenses, etc.; to contribute to organizations
>  that spend wisely to make a difference; to physically help with  
> local rest=
> oration or habitat maintenance projects; and to make direct  
> donations towar=
> d conservation programs.&nbsp; (And yes, I know not everyone can do  
> all of =
> those things.)<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; It's all good - let's get back to  
> birding r=
> eports...<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Linda Williams<BR>&gt; Liberty, Clay  
> County, MO<=
> BR>&gt; <A href=3D"http://us.mc820.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose? 
> to=3Dlkwilliam=
> [log in to unmask]"  
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> A><BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; ---- June &lt;<A href=3D"http:// 
> us.mc820.mail.=
> [log in to unmask]"  
> ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]
> NET">[log in to unmask]</A>&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;  
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<BR>&gt; Doug,<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; CACHE is not a  
> step behin=
> d Duck Stamps.&nbsp; If anything it is the "step<BR>&gt; further"  
> because i=
> t gives support to public land management<BR>&gt; strategies that  
> are broad=
> er than promotion of game bird
>  hunting.<BR>&gt; Total purchases of Duck Stamps provide statistics  
> easily =
> used to<BR>&gt; indicate support of citizens for hunting  
> interests.&nbsp; C=
> ACHE use<BR>&gt; identifies the growing number of citizens who, for  
> the mos=
> t part are<BR>&gt; not anti-hunting, and appreciate the  
> contribution to bir=
> d habitat<BR>&gt; made by hunting interests, but who also recognize  
> the nee=
> d for<BR>&gt; management that goes a step further and manages for  
> all birds=
> , not<BR>&gt; exclusively for game birds.&nbsp; CACHE use  
> identifies a grow=
> ing number of<BR>&gt; folks whose specific right to access&nbsp;  
> public lan=
> ds for observation of<BR>&gt; birds&nbsp; is equal to the rights of  
> hunters=
> , but whose rights are not<BR>&gt; always recognized by local  
> management.<B=
> R>&gt; <BR>&gt; I take issue with your implication that only those  
> who buy =
> duck<BR>&gt; stamps are "assuring these treasures will be here for  
> future<B=
> R>&gt; generations."&nbsp; There are many ways to help make that
>  guarantee, and<BR>&gt; you don't corner the market,&nbsp;  
> IMHO.<BR>&gt; <B=
> R>&gt; June Newman<BR>&gt; Carrollton, MO<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;  
> On Aug =
> 17, 2009, at 5:20 PM, Doug Willis wrote:<BR>&gt; Mobirders:<BR>&gt;  
> Yes, we=
>  are VERY lucky to have the Missouri Department of<BR>&gt;  
> Conservation pub=
> lic lands and programs. CACHE is fine, but why not<BR>&gt; take it  
> a step f=
> urther and buy a hunting/fishing license and truly<BR>&gt; support  
> MDC?! Al=
> so, documenting the hypothetical bird in question for<BR>&gt; the  
> Missouri =
> Bird Records Committee would add to the ornithological<BR>&gt;  
> record in an=
>  even more substantial way. Want to support Big Muddy<BR>&gt; NWR,  
> Mingo NW=
> R, Squaw Creek NWR and Swan Lake NWR? Buy a duck stamp<BR>&gt; and  
> join the=
>  rest of us in assuring these treasures will be here for<BR>&gt;  
> future gen=
> erations.<BR>&gt; Respectfully,<BR>&gt; Doug Willis<BR>&gt;  
> Liberty, MO<BR>=
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> Date:    Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:30:12 -0500
> From:    Jean Leonatti <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Eagle Bluffs sightings and wildlife magic
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> Last evening I drove down to Eagle Bluffs.    Again the majority of
> shorebirds were in Pool 2, although mudflats are again appearing in  
> the
> lower end of the distribution channel and in Pool 14/10.  No  
> "newbies" but
> this time there were 17 Stilts and about 6 Semi-palmated Plovers in  
> Pool 2.
> The Great Egrets and GB Herons had also claimed that pool.   Sedge  
> Wrens
> were calling in the tall grasses bordering pool 10 as you drive  
> back toward
> the Pool 14.
>
>
>
> As I continued down the gravel road, a little before the parking  
> area for
> Pool 5,  the Sandhill Cranes were standing on the edge of the road,  
> looking
> pretty bedraggled - either from all the rain or molting.   I  
> stopped the car
> right in the middle of road - giving them right of way, and hoping to
> provide protection from any other cars/trucks.   They wandered into  
> the
> middle of the road, looked around a little (and I'm thinking "come on
> babies, decide what you are going to do"), and then both of them  
> starting
> running toward me, apparently using the road as a runway, lifted  
> their wings
> about 30 yards from me, and calmly sailed right over the top of my  
> car, then
> banked toward the river.  It was super cool!
>
>
>
> A little further down the road, a dark, bulky bird was flying low  
> across the
> water - almost skimming it; got the binocs on it and surprised to  
> see that
> it was an owl!   Have never seen that before!   Landed in the trees  
> on the
> opposite side of the distribution channel.
>
>
>
> Just about every wood duck box, had either a GB Heron or Green Heron
> standing atop it ---- save one, which had a Belted Kingfisher.   A  
> Great
> Blue tried to land - but the Kingfisher held his ground, and the  
> heron flew
> off.  Talk about David and Goliath.
>
>
>
> Two immature BC night-herons flew into the tree line by the  
> "slough" that
> borders the first part of the road back to the Sapp tract (pool 14 - I
> should say).   That made me notice that way back, deep in that tree  
> line the
> Great Egrets had established a roost tree.  About that time, there  
> were
> about 3 different groups of 5-6 individuals each of Green Herons,  
> circling
> and coming in - perhaps to roost in the same tree, or nearby.
>
>
>
> As I was driving out about an hour later, the Cranes were standing  
> in the
> distribution channel just down from the cross levee - a place they are
> frequently seen.  Ending a night more charming for the bird  
> behaviors than
> the bird species.
>
>
>
> Jean Leonatti
> Boone County
> Columbia, MO
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> <p class=3DMsoNormal>Last evening I drove down to Eagle =
> Bluffs.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
> Again the majority of shorebirds were in Pool 2, although mudflats  
> are =
> again
> appearing in the lower end of the distribution channel and in Pool =
> 14/10.&nbsp;
> No &#8220;newbies&#8221; but this time there were 17 Stilts and  
> about 6
> Semi-palmated Plovers in Pool 2.&nbsp; The Great Egrets and GB  
> Herons =
> had also claimed
> that pool.&nbsp;&nbsp; Sedge Wrens were calling in the tall grasses =
> bordering
> pool 10 as you drive back toward the Pool 14.<o:p></o:p></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal>As I continued down the gravel road, a little =
> before the
> parking area for Pool 5,&nbsp; the Sandhill Cranes were standing on  
> the =
> edge of
> the road, looking pretty bedraggled &#8211; either from all the  
> rain or =
> molting.&nbsp;&nbsp;
> I stopped the car right in the middle of road &#8211; giving them  
> right =
> of way,
> and hoping to provide protection from any other cars/ 
> trucks.&nbsp;&nbsp; =
> They wandered
> into the middle of the road, looked around a little (and I&#8217;m =
> thinking &#8220;come
> on babies, decide what you are going to do&#8221;), and then both of =
> them
> starting running toward me, apparently using the road as a runway, =
> lifted their
> wings about 30 yards from me, and calmly sailed right over the top  
> of my =
> car,
> then banked toward the river.&nbsp; It was super cool! 
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
> <o:p></o:p></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal>A little further down the road, a dark, bulky  
> bird =
> was
> flying low across the water &#8211; almost skimming it; got the  
> binocs =
> on it
> and surprised to see that it was an owl!&nbsp;&nbsp; Have never seen =
> that
> before!&nbsp;&nbsp; Landed in the trees on the opposite side of the
> distribution channel.&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal>Just about every wood duck box, had either a GB =
> Heron or
> Green Heron standing atop it ---- save one, which had a Belted
> Kingfisher.&nbsp;&nbsp; A Great Blue tried to land &#8211; but the =
> Kingfisher
> held his ground, and the heron flew off.&nbsp; Talk about David and =
> Goliath.<o:p></o:p></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal>Two immature BC night-herons flew into the tree =
> line by the &#8220;slough&#8221;
> that borders the first part of the road back to the Sapp tract  
> (pool 14 =
> &#8211;
> I should say).&nbsp;&nbsp; That made me notice that way back, deep  
> in =
> that tree
> line the Great Egrets had established a roost tree.&nbsp; About that =
> time,
> there were about 3 different groups of 5-6 individuals each of Green =
> Herons,
> circling and coming in &#8211; perhaps to roost in the same tree, or
> nearby.&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal>As I was driving out about an hour later, the =
> Cranes were
> standing in the distribution channel just down from the cross levee =
> &#8211; a place
> they are frequently seen.&nbsp; Ending a night more charming for the =
> bird
> behaviors than the bird species.<o:p></o:p></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
>
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> style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New  
> Roman","serif"'>Jean =
> Leonatti<br>
> Boone County<br>
> Columbia, MO<br>
> [log in to unmask] <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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> Date:    Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:46:27 -0700
> From:    J C Allen <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: wildlife magic
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> =C2=A0 I like these summertime observations.. Birds are birds, no  
> matter th=
> e season.=C2=A0 Mostly I've been seeing feeding behavior in my back  
> yard.. =
> Love to see the way some birds stand under the feeders awaiting  
> seed/suet t=
> o drop from the feeders, thanks to the other critters, birds.=C2=A0  
> There h=
> as truly been an explosion of newbies also.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The  
> last seen=
>  was a newly hatched no. cardinal.=C2=A0=C2=A0=20
> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The most interesting sight lately is how large  
> numbers o=
> f "yellow jackets" swarm around the bee guard on the nectar feeder  
> until th=
> e guard is pushed off... don't mess with those babies...=C2=A0=20
>
> =C2=A0 Jane Allen=20
> =C2=A0 St. Louis=C2=A0 County
> =C2=A0 [log in to unmask]
>
> --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Jean Leonatti <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> From: Jean Leonatti <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Eagle Bluffs sightings and wildlife magic
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 9:30 AM
>
> =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ALast evening I drove down to  
> Eagle Bluff=
> s.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=0AAgain the majority of shorebirds were in  
> Pool 2, alt=
> hough mudflats are again=0Aappearing in the lower end of the  
> distribution c=
> hannel and in Pool 14/10.=C2=A0=0ANo =E2=80=9Cnewbies=E2=80=9D but  
> this tim=
> e there were 17 Stilts and about 6=0ASemi-palmated Plovers in Pool  
> 2.=C2=A0=
>  The Great Egrets and GB Herons had also claimed=0Athat  
> pool.=C2=A0=C2=A0 S=
> edge Wrens were calling in the tall grasses bordering=0Apool 10 as  
> you driv=
> e back toward the Pool 14. =0A=0A =C2=A0 =0A=0AAs I continued down  
> the grav=
> el road, a little before the=0Aparking area for Pool 5,=C2=A0 the  
> Sandhill =
> Cranes were standing on the edge of=0Athe road, looking pretty  
> bedraggled =
> =E2=80=93 either from all the rain or molting.=C2=A0=C2=A0=0AI  
> stopped the =
> car right in the middle of road =E2=80=93 giving them right of  
> way,=0Aand h=
> oping to provide protection from any other cars/trucks.=C2=A0=C2=A0  
> They wa=
> ndered=0Ainto the middle of the road, looked around a little (and  
> I=E2=80=
> =99m thinking =E2=80=9Ccome=0Aon babies, decide what you are going  
> to do=E2=
> =80=9D), and then both of them=0Astarting running toward me,  
> apparently usi=
> ng the road as a runway, lifted their=0Awings about 30 yards from  
> me, and c=
> almly sailed right over the top of my car,=0Athen banked toward the  
> river.=
> =C2=A0 It was super cool!=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0  =0A=0A =C2=A0 =0A=0AA  
> little f=
> urther down the road, a dark, bulky bird was=0Aflying low across  
> the water =
> =E2=80=93 almost skimming it; got the binocs on it=0Aand surprised  
> to see t=
> hat it was an owl!=C2=A0=C2=A0 Have never seen that=0Abefore! 
> =C2=A0=C2=A0 L=
> anded in the trees on the opposite side of the=0Adistribution  
> channel.=C2=
> =A0=C2=A0  =0A=0A =C2=A0 =0A=0AJust about every wood duck box, had  
> either a=
>  GB Heron or=0AGreen Heron standing atop it ---- save one, which  
> had a Belt=
> ed=0AKingfisher.=C2=A0=C2=A0 A Great Blue tried to land =E2=80=93  
> but the K=
> ingfisher=0Aheld his ground, and the heron flew off.=C2=A0 Talk  
> about David=
>  and Goliath. =0A=0A =C2=A0 =0A=0ATwo immature BC night-herons flew  
> into th=
> e tree line by the =E2=80=9Cslough=E2=80=9D=0Athat borders the  
> first part o=
> f the road back to the Sapp tract (pool 14 =E2=80=93=0AI should  
> say).=C2=A0=
> =C2=A0 That made me notice that way back, deep in that tree=0Aline  
> the Grea=
> t Egrets had established a roost tree.=C2=A0 About that  
> time,=0Athere were =
> about 3 different groups of 5-6 individuals each of Green  
> Herons,=0Acirclin=
> g and coming in =E2=80=93 perhaps to roost in the same tree,  
> or=0Anearby.=
> =C2=A0=C2=A0  =0A=0A =C2=A0 =0A=0AAs I was driving out about an  
> hour later,=
>  the Cranes were=0Astanding in the distribution channel just down  
> from the =
> cross levee =E2=80=93 a place=0Athey are frequently seen.=C2=A0  
> Ending a ni=
> ght more charming for the bird=0Abehaviors than the bird species.  
> =0A=0A =
> =C2=A0 =0A=0A=0A=0AJean Leonatti
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> =0AColumbia, MO
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> <table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td  
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> top" style=3D"font: inherit;">&nbsp; I like these summertime  
> observations..=
>  Birds are birds, no matter the season.&nbsp; Mostly I've been  
> seeing feedi=
> ng behavior in my back yard.. Love to see the way some birds stand  
> under th=
> e feeders awaiting seed/suet to drop from the feeders, thanks to  
> the other =
> critters, birds.&nbsp; There has truly been an explosion of newbies  
> also.&n=
> bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The last seen was a newly hatched no.  
> cardinal.&nbsp;&nbsp=
> ; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The most interesting sight lately is how  
> large num=
> bers of "yellow jackets" swarm around the bee guard on the nectar  
> feeder un=
> til the guard is pushed off... don't mess with those  
> babies...&nbsp; <br><b=
> r>&nbsp; Jane Allen <br>&nbsp; St. Louis&nbsp; County<br>&nbsp;  
> ssallen1@sb=
> cglobal.net<br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 8/18/09, Jean Leonatti  
> <i>&lt;jleonatti@C=
> MAAA.NET&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left:  
> 2px solid
>  rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From:  
> Jean Leo=
> natti &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;<br>Subject: Eagle Bluffs  
> sightings and wi=
> ldlife magic<br>To: [log in to unmask]<br>Date: Tuesday,  
> August 18, =
> 2009, 9:30 AM<br><br><div id=3D"yiv1326735668">=0A=0A=0A =0A  
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> on1=0A=09{}=0A-->=0A</style>=0A=0A<div class=3D"Section1">=0A=0A<p  
> class=3D=
> "MsoNormal">Last evening I drove down to Eagle  
> Bluffs.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=0A=
> Again the majority of shorebirds were in Pool 2, although mudflats  
> are agai=
> n=0Aappearing in the lower end of the distribution channel and in  
> Pool 14/1=
> 0.&nbsp;=0ANo =E2=80=9Cnewbies=E2=80=9D but this time there were 17  
> Stilts =
> and about 6=0ASemi-palmated Plovers in Pool 2.&nbsp; The Great  
> Egrets and G=
> B Herons had also claimed=0Athat pool.&nbsp;&nbsp; Sedge Wrens were  
> calling=
>  in the tall grasses bordering=0Apool 10 as you drive back toward  
> the Pool =
> 14.</p> =0A=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p> =0A=0A<p  
> class=3D"MsoNorma=
> l">As I continued down the gravel road, a little before  
> the=0Aparking area =
> for Pool 5,&nbsp; the Sandhill Cranes were standing on the edge  
> of=0Athe ro=
> ad, looking pretty bedraggled =E2=80=93 either from all the rain or  
> molting=
> .&nbsp;&nbsp;=0AI stopped the car right in the middle of road  
> =E2=80=93 giv=
> ing them right of way,=0Aand hoping to provide protection from any  
> other ca=
> rs/trucks.&nbsp;&nbsp; They wandered=0Ainto the middle of the road,  
> looked =
> around a little (and I=E2=80=99m thinking =E2=80=9Ccome=0Aon  
> babies, decide=
>  what you are going to do=E2=80=9D), and then both of  
> them=0Astarting runni=
> ng toward me, apparently using the road as a runway, lifted  
> their=0Awings a=
> bout 30 yards from me, and calmly sailed right over the top of my  
> car,=0Ath=
> en banked toward the river.&nbsp; It was super cool! 
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </p>=
>  =0A=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p> =0A=0A<p  
> class=3D"MsoNormal">A li=
> ttle further down the road, a dark, bulky bird was=0Aflying low  
> across the =
> water =E2=80=93 almost skimming it; got the binocs on it=0Aand  
> surprised to=
>  see that it was an owl!&nbsp;&nbsp; Have never seen that=0Abefore! 
> &nbsp;&n=
> bsp; Landed in the trees on the opposite side of the=0Adistribution  
> channel=
> .&nbsp;&nbsp; </p> =0A=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>  
> =0A=0A<p class=
> =3D"MsoNormal">Just about every wood duck box, had either a GB  
> Heron or=0AG=
> reen Heron standing atop it ---- save one, which had a  
> Belted=0AKingfisher.=
> &nbsp;&nbsp; A Great Blue tried to land =E2=80=93 but the  
> Kingfisher=0Aheld=
>  his ground, and the heron flew off.&nbsp; Talk about David and  
> Goliath.</p=
>> =0A=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p> =0A=0A<p  
>> class=3D"MsoNormal">Two=
>  immature BC night-herons flew into the tree line by the  
> =E2=80=9Cslough=E2=
> =80=9D=0Athat borders the first part of the road back to the Sapp  
> tract (po=
> ol 14 =E2=80=93=0AI should say).&nbsp;&nbsp; That made me notice  
> that way b=
> ack, deep in that tree=0Aline the Great Egrets had established a  
> roost tree=
> .&nbsp; About that time,=0Athere were about 3 different groups of  
> 5-6 indiv=
> iduals each of Green Herons,=0Acircling and coming in =E2=80=93  
> perhaps to =
> roost in the same tree, or=0Anearby.&nbsp;&nbsp; </p> =0A=0A<p  
> class=3D"Mso=
> Normal"> &nbsp;</p> =0A=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">As I was driving  
> out about=
>  an hour later, the Cranes were=0Astanding in the distribution  
> channel just=
>  down from the cross levee =E2=80=93 a place=0Athey are frequently  
> seen.&nb=
> sp; Ending a night more charming for the bird=0Abehaviors than the  
> bird spe=
> cies.</p> =0A=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>  
> =0A=0A<div>=0A=0A<p clas=
> s=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font- 
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> ot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;">Jean  
> Leonatti<br>=0ABoone Coun=
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> Date:    Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:03:38 -0500
> From:    Bob Lewis <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: hummingbirds
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> For several weeks I've had more House Finches at my hummingbird  
> feeders =
> than the little birds.  Do others have this happen?
>   ----- Original Message -----=20
>   From: mariel stephenson=20
>   To: [log in to unmask]
>   Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 5:37 PM
>   Subject: hummingbirds
>
>
>   Until this week I have had many of them at the 3 feeders -  4- 
> cups a =
> day.  this week I have very few and perhaps a cup of nectar used a  
> day =
> combined from all 3 of them.  I am seeing some tiny ones and  
> immature =
> males/females only.  Are they headed out already?
>
>   behavior - I have watched hummingbirds take baths in leaf-cups and =
> under dripping leaves.  Was yours just enjoying the rain going down  
> his =
> front as well as his back, or was it a way to streamline the rain =
> straight down his little body?
>
>   Mariel Stephenson
>   Columbia, Mo
>   [log in to unmask]
>   573 442 1725
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>   <A [log in to unmask]
>   href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">mariel  
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>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 17,  
> 2009 =
> 5:37=20
>   PM</DIV>
>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> hummingbirds</DIV>
>   <DIV><BR></DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Until this week I have had many  
> of =
> them at the 3=20
>   feeders -&nbsp; 4-cups a day.&nbsp; this week I have very few and =
> perhaps a=20
>   cup of nectar used a day combined from all 3 of them.&nbsp; I am =
> seeing some=20
>   tiny ones and immature males/females only.&nbsp; Are they headed  
> out=20
>   already?</FONT></DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>behavior - I have watched =
> hummingbirds take baths=20
>   in leaf-cups and under dripping leaves.&nbsp; Was yours just  
> enjoying =
> the rain=20
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> streamline the=20
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>   <BR>573 442 =
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> Date:    Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:21:27 -0500
> From:    Bob Lewis <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Dorothy and Toto
>
> I recently joined Ducks Unlimited, also hoping to create more  
> habitat up
> north in the breeding area.
> Bob Lewis   Farmington   St. Francois County
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Fisher" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:42 AM
> Subject: Re: Dorothy and Toto
>
>
>> I would be happy to buy a hunting licrnse and state duck stamp if  
>> it would
>> get me into waterfowl CAs to bird during non-hunting hours after  
>> October
>> 15th. If I'm going to be excluded because I don't hunt waterfowl,  
>> even at
>> times and parts of the refuge where it would not interfere with  
>> hunting, I
>> shall continue to feel like a second class citizen and will do  
>> something
>> else with my money.
>>
>> Bob Fisher
>> Independence, MO
>> [log in to unmask]
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Linda Williams" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: Dorothy and Toto
>>
>>
>>> I think the point is that the money from CACHE and SPARKS is  
>>> money that
>>> MDC and DNR already had.  It's just able to be redirected to the  
>>> specific
>>> projects because of the contribution of data from ASM.  Licenses  
>>> and duck
>>> stamps would put additional monies into the respective systems.   
>>> Also,
>>> numbers of duck stamps are not really used for enumeration of  
>>> hunters
>>> since many of them are purchased by collectors and everyone knows  
>>> that.
>>> Unfortunately, since hunting is a declining sport, duck stamp  
>>> purchases
>>> have declined about 30% since the 1970s.
>>>
>>> Can't speak for Doug, but I don't think he meant that only those  
>>> who buy
>>> duck stamps are supporting NWRs.  I think he meant that a whole  
>>> lot more
>>> additional money could go toward supporting habitat conservation by
>>> purchasing them.  CACHE money is a drop in the bucket for NWRs  
>>> and most
>>> of the CACHE money won't be spent on NWRs, rather it will be used  
>>> toward
>>> a variety of projects managed by either state or federal agencies or
>>> partnerships of varied entities.  ASM is a small non-profit as  
>>> Jim stated
>>> and we're not talking large amounts of money although I'm sure it is
>>> helpful and well-appreciated.  Also, I don't think most NWRs are  
>>> managed
>>> specifically for hunting - all wildlife benefits.  You can't  
>>> support one
>>> type of species without considering the entire ecosystem and food  
>>> chain.
>>>
>>> We are indeed very lucky in MO to have the MDC and to have it fairly
>>> well-funded as well.  CACHE and SPARKS are a terrific way for  
>>> birders to
>>> support habitat conservation without having to contribute money  
>>> directly.
>>> The "step further" to me is to actually spend extra money by  
>>> purchasing
>>> duck stamps, licenses, etc.; to contribute to organizations that  
>>> spend
>>> wisely to make a difference; to physically help with local  
>>> restoration or
>>> habitat maintenance projects; and to make direct donations toward
>>> conservation programs.  (And yes, I know not everyone can do all  
>>> of those
>>> things.)
>>>
>>> It's all good - let's get back to birding reports...
>>>
>>> Linda Williams
>>> Liberty, Clay County, MO
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>>
>>> ---- June <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> =============
>>> Doug,
>>>
>>> CACHE is not a step behind Duck Stamps.  If anything it is the "step
>>> further" because it gives support to public land management
>>> strategies that are broader than promotion of game bird hunting.
>>> Total purchases of Duck Stamps provide statistics easily used to
>>> indicate support of citizens for hunting interests.  CACHE use
>>> identifies the growing number of citizens who, for the most part are
>>> not anti-hunting, and appreciate the contribution to bird habitat
>>> made by hunting interests, but who also recognize the need for
>>> management that goes a step further and manages for all birds, not
>>> exclusively for game birds.  CACHE use identifies a growing  
>>> number of
>>> folks whose specific right to access  public lands for  
>>> observation of
>>> birds  is equal to the rights of hunters, but whose rights are not
>>> always recognized by local management.
>>>
>>> I take issue with your implication that only those who buy duck
>>> stamps are "assuring these treasures will be here for future
>>> generations."  There are many ways to help make that guarantee, and
>>> you don't corner the market,  IMHO.
>>>
>>> June Newman
>>> Carrollton, MO
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 17, 2009, at 5:20 PM, Doug Willis wrote:
>>> Mobirders:
>>> Yes, we are VERY lucky to have the Missouri Department of
>>> Conservation public lands and programs. CACHE is fine, but why not
>>> take it a step further and buy a hunting/fishing license and truly
>>> support MDC?! Also, documenting the hypothetical bird in question  
>>> for
>>> the Missouri Bird Records Committee would add to the ornithological
>>> record in an even more substantial way. Want to support Big Muddy
>>> NWR, Mingo NWR, Squaw Creek NWR and Swan Lake NWR? Buy a duck stamp
>>> and join the rest of us in assuring these treasures will be here for
>>> future generations.
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Doug Willis
>>> Liberty, MO
>>> [log in to unmask]
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> Date:    Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:24:34 -0600
> From:    Chris Barrigar <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: hummingbirds
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> This Spring=2C my mother in Jacksonville=2C FL photographed a Black- 
> throate=
> d Blue Warbler feeding from the H-bird feeder which I though was odd.
>
> =20
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> Maybe this behavior happens more often than we realize. Maybe  
> not. . .=20
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> The numbers of H-birds at our feeders have increased - only  
> immatures and f=
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> I have seen adult male hummers at Otter Slough and other CA's  
> throughout th=
> e area=2C just not at the feeders.
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> Bird On!
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> Chris Barrigar
> Bloomfield=2C MO
> Stoddard Co.
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> Date: Tue=2C 18 Aug 2009 10:03:38 -0500
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: hummingbirds
> To: [log in to unmask]
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>
>
> For several weeks I've had more House Finches at my hummingbird  
> feeders tha=
> n the little birds.  Do others have this happen?
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> ----- Original Message -----=20
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> To: [log in to unmask]
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> Subject: hummingbirds
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> Until this week I have had many of them at the 3 feeders -  4-cups  
> a day.  =
> this week I have very few and perhaps a cup of nectar used a day  
> combined f=
> rom all 3 of them.  I am seeing some tiny ones and immature males/ 
> females o=
> nly.  Are they headed out already?
> =20
> behavior - I have watched hummingbirds take baths in leaf-cups and  
> under dr=
> ipping leaves.  Was yours just enjoying the rain going down his  
> front as we=
> ll as his back=2C or was it a way to streamline the rain straight  
> down his =
> little body?
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For several weeks I've had more  
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>> <B>From:</B> <A [log in to unmask]  
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> [log in to unmask]">mariel stephenson</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3DMOBIRDS- 
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> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday=2C August 17=2C  
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> 37 PM</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> hummingbirds</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Until this week I have had many of  
> them at=
>  the 3 feeders -&nbsp=3B 4-cups a day.&nbsp=3B this week I have  
> very few an=
> d perhaps a cup of nectar used a day combined from all 3 of  
> them.&nbsp=3B I=
>  am seeing some tiny ones and immature males/females only.&nbsp=3B  
> Are they=
>  headed out already?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp=3B</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>behavior - I have watched  
> hummingbirds tak=
> e baths in leaf-cups and under dripping leaves.&nbsp=3B Was yours  
> just enjo=
> ying the rain going down his front as well as his back=2C or was it  
> a way t=
> o streamline the rain straight down his little body?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp=3B</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mariel Stephenson<BR>Columbia=2C  
> Mo<BR><A =
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> rytel=
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> Date:    Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:37:42 -0500
> From:    Bob Fisher <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Dorothy and Toto
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> There's nothing ideological (or off the topic of birding) about  
> wanting =
> to bird in a state waterfowl refuge during the waterfowl hunting  
> season =
> and offering to pay for the privilege in the same way that the  
> waterfowl =
> hunters do. Nor is it ideological (or off topic) to express belief  
> that =
> MDC could let us buy licenses and bird in its waterfowl refuges in  
> ways =
> that would not interfere with waterfowl hunting.
>
> That said, I take Mr. Maloney's post as a valid warning that I may  
> have =
> let my emotion show through. Birders have been the beneficiaries of  
> a =
> lot of good conservation paid for by duck hunters over the years,  
> and we =
> do need to acknowledge that and to avoid the "hunters vs. birders" =
> mentality of which some of us have been guilty in the past.  
> Likewise, I =
> have to admit that, although USFWS may number "birders" in the tens  
> of =
> millions, not enough of us are well enough organized for the  
> "Wildlife =
> Viewing License" idea to pay for itself. If we want to pay, our  
> options =
> presently are limited to buying duck stamps and/or state hunting =
> licenses.
>
> To quote Robert Browning, "Oh to be in England!" The RSPB ("Royal =
> Society for the Protection of Birds") has over a million members and =
> "reserves," some of which resemble U.S. waterfowl refuges, for the  
> use =
> of birders all over the place.  =20
>
> Bob Fisher
> Independence, MO
> [log in to unmask]
>   ----- Original Message -----=20
>   From: Patrick Maloney=20
>   To: [log in to unmask] ; Bob Fisher=20
>   Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:10 AM
>   Subject: Re: Dorothy and Toto
>
>
>         This is supposed to be a birding list.  It is beginning to  
> sound =
> like one of the recent town hall meetings with two opposing sides.  =
> Please take your ideological differences off line.
>
>         --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Bob Fisher <[log in to unmask]>  
> wrote:
>
>
>           From: Bob Fisher <[log in to unmask]>
>           Subject: Re: Dorothy and Toto
>           To: [log in to unmask]
>           Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 2:42 AM
>
>
>           I would be happy to buy a hunting licrnse and state duck  
> stamp =
> if it would get me into waterfowl CAs to bird during non-hunting  
> hours =
> after October 15th. If I'm going to be excluded because I don't hunt =
> waterfowl, even at times and parts of the refuge where it would not =
> interfere with hunting, I shall continue to feel like a second class =
> citizen and will do something else with my money.
>
>           Bob Fisher
>           Independence, MO
>           [log in to unmask]
>           ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Williams" =
> <[log in to unmask]>
>           To: <[log in to unmask]>
>           Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:35 PM
>           Subject: Re: Dorothy and Toto
>
>
>> I think the point is that the money from CACHE and SPARKS is =
> money that MDC and DNR already had.  It's just able to be  
> redirected to =
> the specific projects because of the contribution of data from ASM.  =
> Licenses and duck stamps would put additional monies into the  
> respective =
> systems.  Also, numbers of duck stamps are not really used for =
> enumeration of hunters since many of them are purchased by  
> collectors =
> and everyone knows that. Unfortunately, since hunting is a declining =
> sport, duck stamp purchases have declined about 30% since the 1970s.
>> =20
>> Can't speak for Doug, but I don't think he meant that only =
> those who buy duck stamps are supporting NWRs.  I think he meant  
> that a =
> whole lot more additional money could go toward supporting habitat =
> conservation by purchasing them.  CACHE money is a drop in the  
> bucket =
> for NWRs and most of the CACHE money won't be spent on NWRs, rather  
> it =
> will be used toward a variety of projects managed by either state or =
> federal agencies or partnerships of varied entities.  ASM is a small =
> non-profit as Jim stated and we're not talking large amounts of  
> money =
> although I'm sure it is helpful and well-appreciated.  Also, I don't =
> think most NWRs are managed specifically for hunting - all wildlife =
> benefits.  You can't support one type of species without  
> considering the =
> entire ecosystem and food chain.
>> =20
>> We are indeed very lucky in MO to have the MDC and to have =
> it fairly well-funded as well.  CACHE and SPARKS are a terrific way  
> for =
> birders to support habitat conservation without having to contribute =
> money directly. The "step further" to me is to actually spend extra =
> money by purchasing duck stamps, licenses, etc.; to contribute to =
> organizations that spend wisely to make a difference; to physically  
> help =
> with local restoration or habitat maintenance projects; and to make =
> direct donations toward conservation programs.  (And yes, I know not =
> everyone can do all of those things.)
>> =20
>> It's all good - let's get back to birding reports...
>> =20
>> Linda Williams
>> Liberty, Clay County, MO
>> [log in to unmask]
>> =20
>> =20
>> ---- June <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> =20
>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>> Doug,
>> =20
>> CACHE is not a step behind Duck Stamps.  If anything it is =
> the "step
>> further" because it gives support to public land management
>> strategies that are broader than promotion of game bird =
> hunting.
>> Total purchases of Duck Stamps provide statistics easily =
> used to
>> indicate support of citizens for hunting interests.  CACHE =
> use
>> identifies the growing number of citizens who, for the most =
> part are
>> not anti-hunting, and appreciate the contribution to bird =
> habitat
>> made by hunting interests, but who also recognize the need =
> for
>> management that goes a step further and manages for all =
> birds, not
>> exclusively for game birds.  CACHE use identifies a growing =
> number of
>> folks whose specific right to access  public lands for =
> observation of
>> birds  is equal to the rights of hunters, but whose rights =
> are not
>> always recognized by local management.
>> =20
>> I take issue with your implication that only those who buy =
> duck
>> stamps are "assuring these treasures will be here for future
>> generations."  There are many ways to help make that =
> guarantee, and
>> you don't corner the market,  IMHO.
>> =20
>> June Newman
>> Carrollton, MO
>> =20
>> =20
>> On Aug 17, 2009, at 5:20 PM, Doug Willis wrote:
>> Mobirders:
>> Yes, we are VERY lucky to have the Missouri Department of
>> Conservation public lands and programs. CACHE is fine, but =
> why not
>> take it a step further and buy a hunting/fishing license and =
> truly
>> support MDC?! Also, documenting the hypothetical bird in =
> question for
>> the Missouri Bird Records Committee would add to the =
> ornithological
>> record in an even more substantial way. Want to support Big =
> Muddy
>> NWR, Mingo NWR, Squaw Creek NWR and Swan Lake NWR? Buy a =
> duck stamp
>> and join the rest of us in assuring these treasures will be =
> here for
>> future generations.
>> Respectfully,
>> Doug Willis
>> Liberty, MO
>> [log in to unmask]
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> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D4>There's nothing ideological (or  
> off =
> the topic of=20
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> the =
> waterfowl=20
> hunting season and offering to pay for the privilege in the same way =
> that the=20
> waterfowl hunters do. Nor is it ideological (or off topic) to  
> express =
> belief=20
> that&nbsp;MDC could let us buy licenses and bird in its waterfowl=20
> refuges&nbsp;in ways that would not interfere with waterfowl=20
> hunting.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D4>That said, I take Mr. Maloney's  
> post =
> as a valid=20
> warning that I may have let my emotion show through. Birders have  
> been =
> the=20
> beneficiaries of a lot of good conservation paid for by duck hunters =
> over the=20
> years, and we do need to&nbsp;acknowledge that and to avoid the  
> "hunters =
> vs.=20
> birders" mentality of which some of us have been guilty in the past. =
> Likewise, I=20
> have to admit that, although USFWS may number "birders" in the tens  
> of =
> millions,=20
> not enough of us are well enough&nbsp;organized for the "Wildlife =
> Viewing=20
> License" idea to pay for itself. If we want to pay, our =
> options&nbsp;presently=20
> are limited to&nbsp;buying duck stamps and/or state hunting=20
> licenses.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D4>To quote Robert Browning, "Oh  
> to be =
> in England!"=20
> The RSPB ("Royal Society for the Protection of Birds") has over a =
> million=20
> members and "reserves," some of which resemble U.S. waterfowl  
> refuges, =
> for the=20
> use of birders all over the place.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Bob Fisher<BR>Independence,  
> MO<BR><A=20
> href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A></ 
> FONT><=
> /DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE=20
> style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000080 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; =
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>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
>   <DIV=20
>   style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: =
> black"><B>From:</B>=20
>   <A [log in to unmask]
>   href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Patrick Maloney</A> =
> </DIV>
>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
> [log in to unmask]
>   =
> href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">MOBIRDS- 
> [log in to unmask]</A> =
> ; <A=20
>   [log in to unmask] =
> href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Bob=20
>   Fisher</A> </DIV>
>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 18,  
> 2009 =
> 8:10=20
>   AM</DIV>
>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Dorothy and =
> Toto</DIV>
>   <DIV><BR></DIV>
>   <TABLE border=3D0 cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0>
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>     <TR>
>       <TD vAlign=3Dtop>This is supposed to be a birding list.&nbsp;  
> It =
> is=20
>         beginning to sound like one of the recent town hall meetings =
> with two=20
>         opposing sides.&nbsp; Please take your ideological  
> differences =
> off=20
>         line.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 8/18/09, Bob Fisher <I>&lt;<A=20
>         =
> href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
> A>&gt;</I>=
> </B>=20
>         wrote:<BR>
>         <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>         style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING- 
> LEFT: =
> 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From:=20
>           Bob Fisher &lt;<A=20
>           =
> href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
> A>&gt;<BR>=
> Subject:=20
>           Re: Dorothy and Toto<BR>To: <A=20
>           =
> href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">MOBIRDS- 
> [log in to unmask]</A><B=
> R>Date:=20
>           Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 2:42 AM<BR><BR>
>           <DIV class=3DplainMail>I would be happy to buy a hunting =
> licrnse and=20
>           state duck stamp if it would get me into waterfowl CAs to  
> bird =
> during=20
>           non-hunting hours after October 15th. If I'm going to be =
> excluded=20
>           because I don't hunt waterfowl, even at times and parts  
> of the =
> refuge=20
>           where it would not interfere with hunting, I shall  
> continue to =
> feel=20
>           like a second class citizen and will do something else  
> with my =
>
>           money.<BR><BR>Bob Fisher<BR>Independence, MO<BR><A=20
>           =
> href=3D"http://us.mc820.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose? 
> to=3Dbobgfisher@comcast=
> .net"=20
>           =
> ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
> A><BR>-=
> ----=20
>           Original Message ----- From: "Linda Williams" &lt;<A=20
>           =
> href=3D"http://us.mc820.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose? 
> [log in to unmask]
> OM"=20
>           =
> ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</ 
> A>&gt;<BR>T=
> o:=20
>           &lt;<A=20
>           =
> href=3D"http://us.mc820.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3DMOBIRDS- 
> [log in to unmask]
> URI.EDU"=20
>           =
> ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">MOBIRDS- 
> [log in to unmask]</A=
>> &gt;<BR>Sent:=20
>           Monday, August 17, 2009 11:35 PM<BR>Subject: Re: Dorothy  
> and=20
>           Toto<BR><BR><BR>&gt; I think the point is that the money  
> from =
> CACHE=20
>           and SPARKS is money that MDC and DNR already had.&nbsp;  
> It's =
> just able=20
>           to be redirected to the specific projects because of the =
> contribution=20
>           of data from ASM.&nbsp; Licenses and duck stamps would put =
> additional=20
>           monies into the respective systems.&nbsp; Also, numbers of =
> duck stamps=20
>           are not really used for enumeration of hunters since many  
> of =
> them are=20
>           purchased by collectors and everyone knows that. =
> Unfortunately, since=20
>           hunting is a declining sport, duck stamp purchases have =
> declined about=20
>           30% since the 1970s.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Can't speak for  
> Doug, =
> but I=20
>           don't think he meant that only those who buy duck stamps  
> are=20
>           supporting NWRs.&nbsp; I think he meant that a whole lot  
> more=20
>           additional money could go toward supporting habitat =
> conservation by=20
>           purchasing them.&nbsp; CACHE money is a drop in the  
> bucket for =
> NWRs=20
>           and most of the CACHE money won't be spent on NWRs,  
> rather it =
> will be=20
>           used toward a variety of projects managed by either state  
> or =
> federal=20
>           agencies or partnerships of varied entities.&nbsp; ASM is  
> a =
> small=20
>           non-profit as Jim stated and we're not talking large  
> amounts =
> of money=20
>           although I'm sure it is helpful and well- 
> appreciated.&nbsp; =
> Also, I=20
>           don't think most NWRs are managed specifically for  
> hunting - =
> all=20
>           wildlife benefits.&nbsp; You can't support one type of  
> species =
> without=20
>           considering the entire ecosystem and food chain.<BR>&gt; =
> <BR>&gt; We=20
>           are indeed very lucky in MO to have the MDC and to have it =
> fairly=20
>           well-funded as well.&nbsp; CACHE and SPARKS are a  
> terrific way =
> for=20
>           birders to support habitat conservation without having to =
> contribute=20
>           money directly. The "step further" to me is to actually  
> spend =
> extra=20
>           money by purchasing duck stamps, licenses, etc.; to  
> contribute =
> to=20
>           organizations that spend wisely to make a difference; to =
> physically=20
>           help with local restoration or habitat maintenance  
> projects; =
> and to=20
>           make direct donations toward conservation programs.&nbsp;  
> (And =
> yes, I=20
>           know not everyone can do all of those things.)<BR>&gt; =
> <BR>&gt; It's=20
>           all good - let's get back to birding reports...<BR>&gt; =
> <BR>&gt; Linda=20
>           Williams<BR>&gt; Liberty, Clay County, MO<BR>&gt; <A=20
>           =
> href=3D"http://us.mc820.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose? 
> [log in to unmask]
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>           <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; ---- June &lt;<A=20
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> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<BR>&gt; Doug,<BR>&gt;  
> <BR>&gt;=20
>           CACHE is not a step behind Duck Stamps.&nbsp; If anything  
> it =
> is the=20
>           "step<BR>&gt; further" because it gives support to public  
> land =
>
>           management<BR>&gt; strategies that are broader than  
> promotion =
> of game=20
>           bird hunting.<BR>&gt; Total purchases of Duck Stamps  
> provide=20
>           statistics easily used to<BR>&gt; indicate support of  
> citizens =
> for=20
>           hunting interests.&nbsp; CACHE use<BR>&gt; identifies the =
> growing=20
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>           anti-hunting, and appreciate the contribution to bird =
> habitat<BR>&gt;=20
>           made by hunting interests, but who also recognize the need =
> for<BR>&gt;=20
>           management that goes a step further and manages for all  
> birds, =
>
>           not<BR>&gt; exclusively for game birds.&nbsp; CACHE use =
> identifies a=20
>           growing number of<BR>&gt; folks whose specific right to =
> access&nbsp;=20
>           public lands for observation of<BR>&gt; birds&nbsp; is  
> equal =
> to the=20
>           rights of hunters, but whose rights are not<BR>&gt; always =
> recognized=20
>           by local management.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I take issue with  
> your=20
>           implication that only those who buy duck<BR>&gt; stamps  
> are =
> "assuring=20
>           these treasures will be here for future<BR>&gt; =
> generations."&nbsp;=20
>           There are many ways to help make that guarantee,  
> and<BR>&gt; =
> you don't=20
>           corner the market,&nbsp; IMHO.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; June =
> Newman<BR>&gt;=20
>           Carrollton, MO<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; On Aug 17, 2009,  
> at =
> 5:20 PM,=20
>           Doug Willis wrote:<BR>&gt; Mobirders:<BR>&gt; Yes, we are  
> VERY =
> lucky=20
>           to have the Missouri Department of<BR>&gt; Conservation  
> public =
> lands=20
>           and programs. CACHE is fine, but why not<BR>&gt; take it a =
> step=20
>           further and buy a hunting/fishing license and  
> truly<BR>&gt; =
> support=20
>           MDC?! Also, documenting the hypothetical bird in question =
> for<BR>&gt;=20
>           the Missouri Bird Records Committee would add to the=20
>           ornithological<BR>&gt; record in an even more substantial  
> way. =
> Want to=20
>           support Big Muddy<BR>&gt; NWR, Mingo NWR, Squaw Creek NWR  
> and =
> Swan=20
>           Lake NWR? Buy a duck stamp<BR>&gt; and join the rest of  
> us in =
> assuring=20
>           these treasures will be here for<BR>&gt; future =
> generations.<BR>&gt;=20
>           Respectfully,<BR>&gt; Doug Willis<BR>&gt; Liberty,  
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> Date:    Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:44:51 -0500
> From:    Charlene and Jim Malone <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Carlyle and SW IL reports
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> Date:    Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:49:01 -0500
> From:    Bob Fisher <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Fw: Duck Stamps
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> I'm forwarding to the list a private email from Chris Barrigar to  
> me, =
> which states the MDC side of the waterfowl season exclusion policy  
> so =
> well that I think we all should see it.
>
> Thanks Chris!
>
> This is very helpful.
>
> Bob Fisher
> Independence, MO
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> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Chris Barrigar=20
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:51 AM
> Subject: Duck Stamps
>
>
> Bob,
> =20
> I understand and feel similarly as you, in that we seem to have,  
> "less =
> priority" than those that hunt waterfowl (regardless of time of year).
> =20
> Not aware of this thread until this morning, I actually spoke with  
> a MDC =
> agent out at Otter Slough CA last night, and he made some very valid =
> points during our hour plus long conversation.
> =20
> One of the things that I have questioned in my 2.5 yrs here in MO,  
> you =
> touched base on, was the half day waterfowl hunts and why we can't  
> have =
> access after the hunters were gone for the day. Otter Slough CA  
> follows =
> this practice where they hunters have until 11am or 1 pm and after  
> that =
> the whole property becomes wildlife reserve.
> =20
> The number one reason for this is to hold/retain more waterfowl in  
> the =
> area . . . repeat business for duck hunters. Number two reason is  
> that =
> there is not enough designated "reserve land" on site at Otter  
> Slough CA =
> per overall acreage, and by having 1/2 the day for hunt and the  
> other =
> half for reserve helps lessen the stress on the waterfowl allowing  
> them =
> time to rest and feed which is so crucial to them during that time  
> of =
> the year.
> =20
> He mentioned that if people (us birdwatchers/John Q. Public) were =
> allowed on the premises after hunting hours have expired, our  
> presence =
> could continue to stress the waterfowl. I understand his point.  
> Granted =
> they want to increase revenue, but without the birds, they won't  
> have =
> revenue. Stressing the birds doesn't bode well for the birds, MDC, =
> birdwatchers or the hunters.
> =20
> I'm not a political person, and I always try to see things from both =
> (all) sides. I do deer hunt, but do not duck hunt nor do I buy a  
> duck =
> stamp. Otter Slough CA has many roads that border pools/fields that =
> allow what I call "auto birding" where I birdwatch from my vehicle  
> or I =
> step out onto the roadside (in a fashion that I don't startle  
> waterfowl =
> or harrass hunters in the process). Last thing I want to be is in =
> someone's crosshairs (literal or figurative) . . . for any reason.
> =20
> I know I'm young and naive and have much to learn. I'm not sure if  
> what =
> I've mentioned here pertains to things up there, but I thought I'd =
> share. I know it really doesn't help the fact that we are granted  
> less =
> access the waterfowl during hunting season. I guess I'm just sharing =
> what I learned from this MDC official last night.
> =20
> Good Birding my friend!
>
> Chris Barrigar
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> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D4=20
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> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D4 face=3D"Times New =
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> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D4 face=3D"Times New Roman">This is =
> very=20
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> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D4 face=3D"Times New =
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> <DIV>Bob Fisher<BR>Independence, MO<BR><A=20
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> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
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> <A=20
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> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:51 AM</DIV>
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> and =
> he made=20
> some very valid points during our hour plus long =
> conversation.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>One=20
> of the things that I have questioned in my 2.5 yrs here in MO, you =
> touched base=20
> on, was the half day waterfowl hunts and why we can't have access  
> after =
> the=20
> hunters were gone for the day. Otter Slough CA follows this practice =
> where they=20
> hunters have until 11am or 1 pm and after that the whole property =
> becomes=20
> wildlife reserve.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>The number one reason for this is to =
> hold/retain=20
> more waterfowl in the area . . . repeat business for duck hunters. =
> Number two=20
> reason is that there is not enough designated "reserve land" on  
> site at =
> Otter=20
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> and =
> the other=20
> half for reserve helps lessen the stress on the waterfowl allowing  
> them =
> time to=20
> rest and feed which is so crucial to them during that time of the=20
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> John Q. =
> Public)=20
> were allowed on the premises after hunting hours have expired, our=20
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> his =
> point.=20
> Granted they want to increase revenue, but without the birds, they  
> won't =
> have=20
> revenue. Stressing the birds doesn't bode well for the birds, MDC, =
> birdwatchers=20
> or the hunters.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>I'm not a political person, and I  
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> try to see=20
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> hunt =
> nor do I=20
> buy a duck stamp. Otter Slough CA has many roads that border =
> pools/fields that=20
> allow what I call "auto birding" where I birdwatch from my vehicle  
> or I =
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> know it=20
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> Date:    Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:04:38 -0500
> From:    Dave Faintich <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Duck Stamps
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> Bob, Chris & MO-Birders -
>
> Just to follow this sensible thread one more step - and I  
> understand why
> they want the birds to have time for less stress and to feed.   
> Soooo, why
> not let hunters hunt Mon-Wed-Fri for 1/2 day, then let only birders  
> and
> non-hunters in for 1/2 day on Tues-Thurs-Sat (or some other suitable
> configuration that satisfies both parties).  Let everyone SHARE our  
> natural
> wetlands.
>
> Remember, birders and non-hunters pay the 1/8 cent conservation  
> sales taxes
> in MO, just like hunters do!!   Equal opportunity for all!!
>
>
> ...Dave Faintich
>
> Olivette, MO
> http://david.faintich.com/
>
>
> "The truth of the matter is, the birds could very well live without  
> us, but
> many - perhaps all - of us would find life incomplete, indeed almost
> intolerable without the birds" ~~ Roger Tory Peterson
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: Missouri Wild Bird Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]]  
> On Behalf
> Of Bob Fisher
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:49 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Fw: Duck Stamps
>
>
> I'm forwarding to the list a private email from Chris Barrigar to  
> me, which
> states the MDC side of the waterfowl season exclusion policy so  
> well that I
> think we all should see it.
>
> Thanks Chris!
>
> This is very helpful.
>
> Bob Fisher
> Independence, MO
> [log in to unmask]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris  <mailto:[log in to unmask]> Barrigar
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:51 AM
> Subject: Duck Stamps
>
> Bob,
>
> I understand and feel similarly as you, in that we seem to have, "less
> priority" than those that hunt waterfowl (regardless of time of year).
>
> Not aware of this thread until this morning, I actually spoke with  
> a MDC
> agent out at Otter Slough CA last night, and he made some very  
> valid points
> during our hour plus long conversation.
>
> One of the things that I have questioned in my 2.5 yrs here in MO, you
> touched base on, was the half day waterfowl hunts and why we can't  
> have
> access after the hunters were gone for the day. Otter Slough CA  
> follows this
> practice where they hunters have until 11am or 1 pm and after that  
> the whole
> property becomes wildlife reserve.
>
> The number one reason for this is to hold/retain more waterfowl in  
> the area
> . . . repeat business for duck hunters. Number two reason is that  
> there is
> not enough designated "reserve land" on site at Otter Slough CA per  
> overall
> acreage, and by having 1/2 the day for hunt and the other half for  
> reserve
> helps lessen the stress on the waterfowl allowing them time to rest  
> and feed
> which is so crucial to them during that time of the year.
>
> He mentioned that if people (us birdwatchers/John Q. Public) were  
> allowed on
> the premises after hunting hours have expired, our presence could  
> continue
> to stress the waterfowl. I understand his point. Granted they want to
> increase revenue, but without the birds, they won't have revenue.  
> Stressing
> the birds doesn't bode well for the birds, MDC, birdwatchers or the  
> hunters.
>
> I'm not a political person, and I always try to see things from  
> both (all)
> sides. I do deer hunt, but do not duck hunt nor do I buy a duck  
> stamp. Otter
> Slough CA has many roads that border pools/fields that allow what I  
> call
> "auto birding" where I birdwatch from my vehicle or I step out onto  
> the
> roadside (in a fashion that I don't startle waterfowl or harrass  
> hunters in
> the process). Last thing I want to be is in someone's crosshairs  
> (literal or
> figurative) . . . for any reason.
>
> I know I'm young and naive and have much to learn. I'm not sure if  
> what I've
> mentioned here pertains to things up there, but I thought I'd  
> share. I know
> it really doesn't help the fact that we are granted less access the
> waterfowl during hunting season. I guess I'm just sharing what I  
> learned
> from this MDC official last night.
>
> Good Birding my friend!
>
> Chris Barrigar
>
> Stoddard Co.
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> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D203185915-18082009><FONT =
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> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D203185915-18082009><FONT =
> color=3D#0000ff=20
> face=3DArial>Just to follow this sensible thread one more step -  
> and I =
> understand=20
> why they want the birds to have time for less stress and to  
> feed.&nbsp; =
> Soooo,=20
> why not let hunters hunt Mon-Wed-Fri for 1/2 day, then let only  
> birders =
> and=20
> non-hunters in for 1/2 day on Tues-Thurs-Sat (or some other  
> suitable=20
> configuration that satisfies both parties).&nbsp; Let everyone  
> SHARE our =
> natural=20
> wetlands.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D203185915-18082009><FONT =
> color=3D#0000ff=20
> face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D203185915-18082009><FONT =
> color=3D#0000ff=20
> face=3DArial>Remember, birders and non-hunters pay the 1/8 cent =
> conservation sales=20
> taxes in MO, just like hunters do!!&nbsp;&nbsp; Equal opportunity  
> for=20
> all!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><!-- Converted from text/rtf format -->
> <P><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT =
> face=3DArial>...Dave</FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;<SPAN=20
> class=3D203185915-18082009><FONT face=3DArial>Faintich</FONT></ 
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> <P><SPAN class=3D203185915-18082009></SPAN><SPAN=20
> class=3D203185915-18082009></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial>O<SPAN=20
> class=3D203185915-18082009>livette, MO</SPAN></FONT><BR><SPAN =
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> FONT>=
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> </P><BR>
> <P><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3DArial>"The truth of the matter  
> is, =
> the birds=20
> could very well live without us, but many - perhaps all - of us  
> would =
> find life=20
> incomplete, indeed almost intolerable without the birds" ~~ Roger  
> Tory=20
> Peterson</FONT></SPAN></P>
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> <FONT face=3DTahoma><B>From:</B> Missouri Wild Bird Forum=20
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Bob=20
> Fisher<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:49 AM<BR><B>To:</ 
> B>=20
> [log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Fw: Duck=20
> Stamps<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D4 face=3D"Times New Roman">I'm =
> forwarding to the=20
> list a private email from Chris Barrigar to me, which states the MDC =
> side of the=20
> waterfowl season exclusion policy so well that I think we all  
> should see =
>
> it.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D4 face=3D"Times New =
> Roman"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D4=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman">Thanks&nbsp;Chris!</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D4 face=3D"Times New =
> Roman"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D4 face=3D"Times New Roman">This is =
> very=20
> helpful.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D4 face=3D"Times New =
> Roman"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>Bob Fisher<BR>Independence, MO<BR><A=20
> href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A></ 
> DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>  
> <A=20
> [log in to unmask] =
> href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Chris=20
> Barrigar</A> </DIV>
> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A [log in to unmask]
> href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A> </ 
> DIV>
> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:51 AM</DIV>
> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Duck Stamps</DIV></DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>Bob,<BR>&nbsp;<BR>I understand and feel similarly as  
> you, =
> in that=20
> we seem to have, "less priority" than those that hunt waterfowl =
> (regardless of=20
> time of year).<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Not aware of this thread until this  
> morning, =
> I=20
> actually spoke with a MDC agent out at Otter Slough CA last night,  
> and =
> he made=20
> some very valid points during our hour plus long =
> conversation.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>One=20
> of the things that I have questioned in my 2.5 yrs here in MO, you =
> touched base=20
> on, was the half day waterfowl hunts and why we can't have access  
> after =
> the=20
> hunters were gone for the day. Otter Slough CA follows this practice =
> where they=20
> hunters have until 11am or 1 pm and after that the whole property =
> becomes=20
> wildlife reserve.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>The number one reason for this is to =
> hold/retain=20
> more waterfowl in the area . . . repeat business for duck hunters. =
> Number two=20
> reason is that there is not enough designated "reserve land" on  
> site at =
> Otter=20
> Slough CA per overall acreage, and by having 1/2 the day for hunt  
> and =
> the other=20
> half for reserve helps lessen the stress on the waterfowl allowing  
> them =
> time to=20
> rest and feed which is so crucial to them during that time of the=20
> year.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>He mentioned that if people (us birdwatchers/ 
> John Q. =
> Public)=20
> were allowed on the premises after hunting hours have expired, our=20
> presence&nbsp;could continue to stress the waterfowl. I understand  
> his =
> point.=20
> Granted they want to increase revenue, but without the birds, they  
> won't =
> have=20
> revenue. Stressing the birds doesn't bode well for the birds, MDC, =
> birdwatchers=20
> or the hunters.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>I'm not a political person, and I  
> always =
> try to see=20
> things from both (all)&nbsp;sides. I do deer hunt, but do not duck  
> hunt =
> nor do I=20
> buy a duck stamp. Otter Slough CA has many roads that border =
> pools/fields that=20
> allow what I call "auto birding" where I birdwatch from my vehicle  
> or I =
> step out=20
> onto the roadside (in a fashion that I don't startle waterfowl or =
> harrass=20
> hunters in the process). Last thing I want to be is in someone's=20
> crosshairs&nbsp;(literal or figurative) . . . for any =
> reason.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>I=20
> know I'm young and naive and have much to learn. I'm not sure if  
> what =
> I've=20
> mentioned here pertains to things up there, but I thought I'd  
> share. I =
> know it=20
> really doesn't help the fact that we are granted less access the =
> waterfowl=20
> during hunting season. I guess I'm just sharing what I learned from  
> this =
> MDC=20
> official last night.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Good Birding my friend! 
> <BR><BR>Chris=20
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> Date:    Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:04:24 -0500
> From:    Edge <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Dorothy and Toto
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> Not true as to the limited option presented.  A direct contribution
> to any entity and/or for any project is possible without being
> hypocritical by buying something one does not intend to use for its
> intended purpose.
>
> Every NWR headquarters/visitor center has a slotted money box for
> contributions.
>
> We are fortunate in the state of Missouri that conservation areas and
> state parks are supported by sales tax dollars, and not dependent on
> the consumptive (hunting/fishing licenses).  Non-game species
> management in license-only supported states (with some small change
> from income tax options) is a poor sister to big items like deer,
> turkey, etc.
>
> For several years, aided by the income from sales tax receipts, MDC
> has worked from a healthy habitat framework, with the goals of
> healthy, whole ecosystems supporting a full spectrum of plant and
> animal communities.  Slowly, others are coming around to this
> perspective, but species-centered interest groups are big money in
> fund-strapped places.
>
> Alas, as states like Louisiana have shown (I've bought their wildlife
> stamp),non-hunting/fishing stamp programs cost too much to administer
> relative to the dollars collected, and enforcement of use in the
> field is not cost-effective.
>
> Edge Wade
> Columbia, MO
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>
>
> On Aug 18, 2009, at 10:37 AM, Bob Fisher wrote:
>
>>  If we want to pay, our options presently are limited to buying
>> duck stamps and/or state hunting licenses.
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> Not true as to the limited option presented. =A0A direct  
> contribution to =
> any entity and/or for any project is possible without being  
> hypocritical =
> by buying something one does not intend to use for its intended  
> purpose. =
> =A0<div><br></div><div>Every NWR headquarters/visitor center has a =
> slotted money box for contributions.</div><div><div><br></ 
> div><div>We =
> are fortunate in the state of Missouri that conservation areas and  
> state =
> parks are supported by sales tax dollars, and not dependent on the =
> consumptive (hunting/fishing licenses). =A0Non-game species  
> management =
> in license-only supported states (with some small change from  
> income tax =
> options) is a poor sister to big items like deer, turkey, =
> etc.</div><div><br></div><div>For several years, aided by the income =
> from sales tax receipts, MDC has worked from a healthy habitat =
> framework, with the goals of healthy, whole ecosystems supporting a  
> full =
> spectrum of plant and animal communities. =A0Slowly, others are  
> coming =
> around to this perspective, but species-centered interest groups  
> are big =
> money in fund-strapped places.=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Alas, as =
> states like Louisiana have shown (I've bought their wildlife =
> stamp),non-hunting/fishing stamp programs cost too much to  
> administer =
> relative to the dollars collected, and enforcement of use in the  
> field =
> is not cost-effective.</div><div><br></div><div>Edge =
> Wade</div><div>Columbia, MO</div><div><a =
> href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br><div><br></ 
> div><div=
>> <br><div><div>On Aug 18, 2009, at 10:37 AM, Bob Fisher wrote:</ 
>> div><br =
> class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span =
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> class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</span>If we want to pay, our =
> options=A0presently are limited to=A0buying duck stamps and/or state =
> hunting =
> licenses.</span></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></body></ 
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> Date:    Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:11:54 -0700
> From:    Doug Willis <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Thayer's/Iceland Gulls
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> Mobirders:
> There is an excellent thread on the ID-Frontiers listserve  
> regarding the potential "lumping" of Thayer's and Iceland Gulls  
> into one species. Many believe that Thayer's Gull represents the  
> darkest form of Iceland Gull, with kumleini being less dark, and  
> nominate glaucoides the palest form of Iceland Gull. Go to  
> www.birdingonthe.net , scroll down and click on "ID-Frontiers to  
> check it out.
> I need to hurry and find Bob Fisher's Black-Tailed Gull!!
> Doug Willis
> Liberty, MO
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> <DIV>There is an excellent thread on the ID-Frontiers listserve  
> regarding the potential "lumping" of Thayer's and Iceland Gulls  
> into one species. Many believe that Thayer's Gull represents the  
> darkest form of Iceland Gull, with kumleini being less dark, and  
> nominate glaucoides the palest form of Iceland Gull. Go to <A  
> href="http://www.birdingonthe.net">www.birdingonthe.net</A> ,  
> scroll down and click on "ID-Frontiers to check it out.</DIV>
> <DIV>I need to hurry and find Bob Fisher's Black-Tailed Gull!! </DIV>
> <DIV>Doug Willis</DIV>
> <DIV>Liberty, MO</DIV>
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> Date:    Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:24:59 -0500
> From:    Edge <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Waterfowl season access
>
> Several factors impact the issue of wildlife viewing during waterfowl
> hunting season.
>
> 1.  Conservation Areas management practices and the rules applied to
> access are largely determined by each area manager.
>
> 2.  Some areas have day-long hunting (not just morning, I've been  
> told).
>
> 3.  The "ducks need rest; we can't let you people in cars disturb
> them in the afternoon after we've shot at them all morning," was used
> several years ago when Columbia area birders were seeking access to
> Eagle Bluffs during the seemingly interminable waterfowl season that
> just happens to coincide with when the ducks are present.
>
> No, that's not meant to be funny.  The same person who used the
> "ducks need rest" argument also argued against birder/non hunter
> presence in waterfowl season with:  You can come here anytime you
> want in July to see ducks (Girl Scout's honor, he said that, then
> smirked when I suggested that there were no duck hunters at Eagle
> Bluffs in July because there were no ducks.)
>
> He also straight-faced said that if we got out of our cars and walked
> down the road we'd see more ducks.  When I noted that duck hunters
> hid because the sight of people walking around scared ducks and that
> slow-moving cars are pretty effective, non-disturbing blinds, I got
> the same smirk.
>
> After numerous seemingly no progress one-on-one conversations like
> this involving various people, a meeting was held with several MDC
> representatives and several Columbia Audubon members.  Options were
> discussed--one day a week, one morning a week, one afternoon a week,
> etc., for access for birders and other wildlife viewers.
>
> We reached what has been a satisfactory compromise that remains in
> effect today (article about this appeared in ASM's The Bluebird).
>
> Birders and other wildlife viewers are allowed into the closed
> portion of Eagle Bluffs as far as Pool 8, between the hours of 1 and
> 3 p.m. every day during waterfowl season, staying in cars.  This
> works because:
>
> 1.  Limiting access to as far as Pool 8 (where we turn around) leaves
> additional area open for the waterfowl in the full "refuge" portion.
>
> 2.  The times (1 to 3) coincide with the timeframe that hunters must
> exit the area.  The reasoning (by MDC personnel) was that disturbance
> will be occurring during that period, anyway (hunters, dogs, etc.,
> wallowing around), and a few slow-moving cars isn't going to have
> much additional impact on the ducks at this time and in this space.
>
> 3.  The wildlife viewing time/access limits do not interfere with a
> single moment of Orionbliss.
>
>
> The concession of the 1-3 p.m. access was a heady experience.  It was
> hoped at the time that the Columbia area experience would set an
> example for others to follow--birders in seeking similar access at
> other areas, and MDC folks realizing that this is not such a bad  
> thing.
>
> It has not happened.  No other birding group has stepped forward to
> lobby for similar access in their area, at least not with enough
> numbers to get the attention of people beyond area managers who have
> the inclination and the power to just say, "No," followed by the
> "ducks need rest" platitude.
>
> We who bird Eagle Bluffs regularly are grateful for our limited
> access during waterfowl season.  We respect the rules, even put the
> chain up as we leave at 3.  I've never heard of a hunter-generated
> complaint about our presence during that two hour period.
>
> This is a compromise that works.  Perhaps a similar arrangement could
> be pursued in other areas.
>
> Good birding!
>
> Edge Wade
> Columbia, MO
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> Date:    Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:58:55 -0700
> From:    Bill Rudden <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: St. Louis area Piping Plovers IL birds
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> 8-18-09. Piping Plovers.
> Canteen Lake Madison county IL.
> IL Highway 111=A0near RXR north of I55-70.
> =A0
> Birds flew on shore line flat N-W side of lake by small steel RXR  
> trestle:
> This a 1/4 mile view from Highway 111.
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> 8-18-09.
> LBIMO
> Bill Rudden
> St. Louis
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> top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV><STRONG>8-18-09. Piping  
> Plovers.</STRONG=
>> </DIV>
> <DIV><STRONG>Canteen Lake Madison county IL.</STRONG></DIV>
> <DIV><STRONG>IL Highway 111&nbsp;near RXR north of I55-70.</ 
> STRONG></DIV>
> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><STRONG>Birds flew on shore line flat N-W side of lake by  
> small steel =
> RXR trestle:</STRONG></DIV>
> <DIV><STRONG>This a 1/4 mile view from Highway 111.</STRONG></DIV>
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> Date:    Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:04:44 +0000
> From:    Archie Keiper <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Riverlands MBS
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> Just got back from Riverlands MBS.  Birds of note:
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> Caspian Terns (2)   (on rock wall dam with gulls)
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> Brown Pelican   (in Ellis Bay)
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> Black Tern   (Heron Pond)
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> Archie Keiper
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> <FONT size=3D5 face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT>&nbsp=3B<BR>
> <FONT color=3D#00b0f0 size=3D5 face=3D"Times New Roman">Caspian  
> Terns (2)&n=
> bsp=3B&nbsp=3B (on rock wall dam with gulls)</FONT><BR>
> <FONT color=3D#00b0f0 size=3D5 face=3D"Times New Roman">Brown  
> Pelican&nbsp=
> =3B&nbsp=3B (in Ellis Bay)</FONT><BR>
> <FONT color=3D#00b0f0 size=3D5 face=3D"Times New Roman">Black  
> Tern&nbsp=3B&=
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> <FONT color=3D#0c0c0c size=3D5 face=3D"Times New Roman">Columbia=2C  
> Monroe =
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> Date:    Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:09:57 -0500
> From:    Edge <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Eagle Bluffs Shorebird I.D. totay
>
> The Tuesday evening Eagle Bluffs shorebird i.d. fieldtrip/workshop
> will be held today, Tuesday, August 18, at 5:45 p.m.
>
> We will again meet at the parking lot by the privy across the road
> from the junction box.
>
> Edge Wade & Susan Hazelwood
> Columbia
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> Date:    Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:19:33 -0700
> From:    Patrick Maloney <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: RFI: St. Louis Area
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> I have unexpectedly been given a gift of a full day to go birding  
> (or whate=
> ver else) tomorrow!=A0 However, I am unsure where to go.=A0 Last  
> year I wen=
> t to BK Leach on the 18th for shorebirds but saw very few.=A0 Also,  
> alas, I=
>  don't have a scope, so I was thinking more of regular land  
> birds.=A0 Can s=
> omeone suggest a day trip?=A0 I'm thinking of Weldon Springs or BCA  
> (Lost V=
> alley?)=A0 Or maybe the swing past Horseshoe Lake up to Riverlands  
> and Two =
> Rivers?=A0 I was there 10 days ago and without a scope it was  
> tough.=A0 Any=
>  suggestions out there you'd be willing to share?
> Pat Maloney
> South St. Louis
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> top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>I have unexpectedly been given a  
> gift of=
>  a full day to go birding (or whatever else) tomorrow!&nbsp;  
> However, I am =
> unsure where to go.&nbsp; Last year I went to BK Leach on the 18th  
> for shor=
> ebirds but saw very few.&nbsp; Also, alas, I don't have a scope, so  
> I was t=
> hinking more of regular land birds.&nbsp; Can someone suggest a day  
> trip?&n=
> bsp; I'm thinking of Weldon Springs or BCA (Lost Valley?)&nbsp; Or  
> maybe th=
> e swing past Horseshoe Lake up to Riverlands and Two Rivers?&nbsp;  
> I was th=
> ere 10 days ago and without a scope it was tough.&nbsp; Any  
> suggestions out=
>  there you'd be willing to share?</DIV>
> <DIV>Pat Maloney</DIV>
> <DIV>South St. Louis</DIV></td></tr></table>
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> Date:    Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:58:57 -0500
> From:    Bill Eddleman <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Duck Stamps
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> Well, actually this would depend in part on what monies were used to =
> purchase a given area. If Federal Aid to Wildlife Restoration money  
> were =
> used in whole or part to purchase land (this is money collected  
> from a =
> federal program that collects taxes on sporting arms and  
> ammunition), =
> then excessive restrictions on hunting will negate the federal =
> contribution of money, and the state has to pay it back. I'm not  
> sure, =
> however, what money was used to purchase Otter Slough. I might also  
> add =
> that repeated attempts to initiate a similar "non-consumptive  
> wildlife" =
> tax on optics and other wildlife watcher items has failed  
> repeatedly, =
> and has been actively opposed by some groups such as hikers, =
> backpackers, etc. (Groups that I am actively a part of, too.).
>
> ----Bill Eddleman, Cape Girardeau
>   ----- Original Message -----=20
>   From: Dave Faintich=20
>   To: [log in to unmask]
>   Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:04 AM
>   Subject: Re: Duck Stamps
>
>
>   Bob, Chris & MO-Birders -
>
>   Just to follow this sensible thread one more step - and I  
> understand =
> why they want the birds to have time for less stress and to feed.  =
> Soooo, why not let hunters hunt Mon-Wed-Fri for 1/2 day, then let  
> only =
> birders and non-hunters in for 1/2 day on Tues-Thurs-Sat (or some  
> other =
> suitable configuration that satisfies both parties).  Let everyone  
> SHARE =
> our natural wetlands.
>
>   Remember, birders and non-hunters pay the 1/8 cent conservation  
> sales =
> taxes in MO, just like hunters do!!   Equal opportunity for all!!
>
>   ...Dave Faintich
>
>   Olivette, MO
>   http://david.faintich.com/=20
>
>
>
>   "The truth of the matter is, the birds could very well live  
> without =
> us, but many - perhaps all - of us would find life incomplete,  
> indeed =
> almost intolerable without the birds" ~~ Roger Tory Peterson
>
>
>
>
>
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> -----
>   From: Missouri Wild Bird Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]]  
> On =
> Behalf Of Bob Fisher
>   Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:49 AM
>   To: [log in to unmask]
>   Subject: Fw: Duck Stamps
>
>
>   I'm forwarding to the list a private email from Chris Barrigar to  
> me, =
> which states the MDC side of the waterfowl season exclusion policy  
> so =
> well that I think we all should see it.
>
>   Thanks Chris!
>
>   This is very helpful.
>
>   Bob Fisher
>   Independence, MO
>   [log in to unmask]
>   ----- Original Message -----=20
>   From: Chris Barrigar=20
>   To: [log in to unmask]
>   Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:51 AM
>   Subject: Duck Stamps
>
>
>   Bob,
>   =20
>   I understand and feel similarly as you, in that we seem to have,  
> "less =
> priority" than those that hunt waterfowl (regardless of time of year).
>   =20
>   Not aware of this thread until this morning, I actually spoke  
> with a =
> MDC agent out at Otter Slough CA last night, and he made some very  
> valid =
> points during our hour plus long conversation.
>   =20
>   One of the things that I have questioned in my 2.5 yrs here in  
> MO, you =
> touched base on, was the half day waterfowl hunts and why we can't  
> have =
> access after the hunters were gone for the day. Otter Slough CA  
> follows =
> this practice where they hunters have until 11am or 1 pm and after  
> that =
> the whole property becomes wildlife reserve.
>   =20
>   The number one reason for this is to hold/retain more waterfowl  
> in the =
> area . . . repeat business for duck hunters. Number two reason is  
> that =
> there is not enough designated "reserve land" on site at Otter  
> Slough CA =
> per overall acreage, and by having 1/2 the day for hunt and the  
> other =
> half for reserve helps lessen the stress on the waterfowl allowing  
> them =
> time to rest and feed which is so crucial to them during that time  
> of =
> the year.
>   =20
>   He mentioned that if people (us birdwatchers/John Q. Public) were =
> allowed on the premises after hunting hours have expired, our  
> presence =
> could continue to stress the waterfowl. I understand his point.  
> Granted =
> they want to increase revenue, but without the birds, they won't  
> have =
> revenue. Stressing the birds doesn't bode well for the birds, MDC, =
> birdwatchers or the hunters.
>   =20
>   I'm not a political person, and I always try to see things from  
> both =
> (all) sides. I do deer hunt, but do not duck hunt nor do I buy a  
> duck =
> stamp. Otter Slough CA has many roads that border pools/fields that =
> allow what I call "auto birding" where I birdwatch from my vehicle  
> or I =
> step out onto the roadside (in a fashion that I don't startle  
> waterfowl =
> or harrass hunters in the process). Last thing I want to be is in =
> someone's crosshairs (literal or figurative) . . . for any reason.
>   =20
>   I know I'm young and naive and have much to learn. I'm not sure if =
> what I've mentioned here pertains to things up there, but I thought  
> I'd =
> share. I know it really doesn't help the fact that we are granted  
> less =
> access the waterfowl during hunting season. I guess I'm just sharing =
> what I learned from this MDC official last night.
>   =20
>   Good Birding my friend!
>
>   Chris Barrigar
>   =20
>   Stoddard Co.
>   [log in to unmask]
>   [log in to unmask]
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Well, actually this would depend in part on  
> what =
> monies=20
> were used to purchase a given area. If Federal Aid to Wildlife =
> Restoration money=20
> were used in whole or part to purchase land (this is money collected =
> from a=20
> federal program that collects taxes on sporting arms and  
> ammunition), =
> then=20
> excessive restrictions on hunting will negate the federal  
> contribution =
> of money,=20
> and the state has to pay it back. I'm not sure, however,&nbsp;what  
> money =
> was=20
> used to purchase Otter Slough. I might also add that repeated  
> attempts =
> to=20
> initiate a similar "non-consumptive wildlife" tax on optics and  
> other =
> wildlife=20
> watcher items has failed repeatedly, and has been actively opposed  
> by =
> some=20
> groups such as hikers, backpackers, etc. (Groups that I am actively  
> a =
> part of,=20
> too.).</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>----Bill Eddleman, Cape Girardeau</FONT></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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>   <DIV=20
>   style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
> black"><B>From:</B>=20
>   <A [log in to unmask]  
> href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Dave =
> Faintich</A>=20
>   </DIV>
>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
> [log in to unmask]
>   =
> href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">MOBIRDS- 
> [log in to unmask]</A> =
> </DIV>
>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 18,  
> 2009 =
> 11:04=20
>   AM</DIV>
>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Duck Stamps</ 
> DIV>
>   <DIV><BR></DIV>
>   <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D203185915-18082009><FONT =
> face=3DArial=20
>   color=3D#0000ff>Bob, Chris &amp; MO-Birders -</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>   <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D203185915-18082009><FONT =
> face=3DArial=20
>   color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
>   <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D203185915-18082009><FONT =
> face=3DArial=20
>   color=3D#0000ff>Just to follow this sensible thread one more step  
> - =
> and I=20
>   understand why they want the birds to have time for less stress  
> and to =
>
>   feed.&nbsp; Soooo, why not let hunters hunt Mon-Wed-Fri for 1/2  
> day, =
> then let=20
>   only birders and non-hunters in for 1/2 day on Tues-Thurs-Sat (or  
> some =
> other=20
>   suitable configuration that satisfies both parties).&nbsp; Let =
> everyone SHARE=20
>   our natural wetlands.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>   <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D203185915-18082009><FONT =
> face=3DArial=20
>   color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
>   <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D203185915-18082009><FONT =
> face=3DArial=20
>   color=3D#0000ff>Remember, birders and non-hunters pay the 1/8 cent =
> conservation=20
>   sales taxes in MO, just like hunters do!!&nbsp;&nbsp; Equal =
> opportunity for=20
>   all!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>   <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><!-- Converted from text/rtf format -->
>   <P><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT =
> face=3DArial>...Dave</FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;<SPAN=20
>   class=3D203185915-18082009><FONT =
> face=3DArial>Faintich</FONT></SPAN></P>
>   <P><SPAN class=3D203185915-18082009></SPAN><SPAN=20
>   class=3D203185915-18082009></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial>O<SPAN=20
>   class=3D203185915-18082009>livette, MO</SPAN></FONT><BR><SPAN =
> lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
>   face=3DArial color=3D#000000><A=20
>   =
> href=3D"http://david.faintich.com/">http://david.faintich.com/</A></ 
> FONT>=
> </SPAN>=20
>   </P><BR>
>   <P><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3DArial>"The truth of the matter  
> is, =
> the birds=20
>   could very well live without us, but many - perhaps all - of us  
> would =
> find=20
>   life incomplete, indeed almost intolerable without the birds" ~~  
> Roger =
> Tory=20
>   Peterson</FONT></SPAN></P>
>   <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR>
>   <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr  
> align=3Dleft>
>   <HR tabIndex=3D-1>
>   <FONT face=3DTahoma><B>From:</B> Missouri Wild Bird Forum=20
>   [mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Bob=20
>   Fisher<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:49  
> AM<BR><B>To:</B> =
>
>   [log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Fw: Duck=20
>   Stamps<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
>   <DIV></DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#000080 size=3D4>I'm =
> forwarding to the=20
>   list a private email from Chris Barrigar to me, which states the  
> MDC =
> side of=20
>   the waterfowl season exclusion policy so well that I think we all =
> should see=20
>   it.</FONT></DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#000080 =
> size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#000080=20
>   size=3D4>Thanks&nbsp;Chris!</FONT></DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#000080 =
> size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#000080 size=3D4>This  
> is =
> very=20
>   helpful.</FONT></DIV>
>   <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#000080 =
> size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>   <DIV>Bob Fisher<BR>Independence, MO<BR><A=20
>   =
> href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A></ 
> DIV>
>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
>   <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</ 
> B> <A=20
>   [log in to unmask] =
> href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Chris=20
>   Barrigar</A> </DIV>
>   <DIV><B>To:</B> <A [log in to unmask]
>   href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A> =
> </DIV>
>   <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:51 AM</DIV>
>   <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Duck Stamps</DIV></DIV>
>   <DIV><BR></DIV>Bob,<BR>&nbsp;<BR>I understand and feel similarly  
> as =
> you, in=20
>   that we seem to have, "less priority" than those that hunt  
> waterfowl=20
>   (regardless of time of year).<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Not aware of this  
> thread =
> until this=20
>   morning, I actually spoke with a MDC agent out at Otter Slough CA  
> last =
> night,=20
>   and he made some very valid points during our hour plus long=20
>   conversation.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>One of the things that I have  
> questioned in =
> my 2.5=20
>   yrs here in MO, you touched base on, was the half day waterfowl  
> hunts =
> and why=20
>   we can't have access after the hunters were gone for the day.  
> Otter =
> Slough CA=20
>   follows this practice where they hunters have until 11am or 1 pm  
> and =
> after=20
>   that the whole property becomes wildlife reserve.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>The =
> number one=20
>   reason for this is to hold/retain more waterfowl in the area . . . =
> repeat=20
>   business for duck hunters. Number two reason is that there is not =
> enough=20
>   designated "reserve land" on site at Otter Slough CA per overall =
> acreage, and=20
>   by having 1/2 the day for hunt and the other half for reserve  
> helps =
> lessen the=20
>   stress on the waterfowl allowing them time to rest and feed which  
> is =
> so=20
>   crucial to them during that time of the year.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>He =
> mentioned that=20
>   if people (us birdwatchers/John Q. Public) were allowed on the =
> premises after=20
>   hunting hours have expired, our presence&nbsp;could continue to  
> stress =
> the=20
>   waterfowl. I understand his point. Granted they want to increase =
> revenue, but=20
>   without the birds, they won't have revenue. Stressing the birds =
> doesn't bode=20
>   well for the birds, MDC, birdwatchers or the  
> hunters.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>I'm =
> not a=20
>   political person, and I always try to see things from both =
> (all)&nbsp;sides. I=20
>   do deer hunt, but do not duck hunt nor do I buy a duck stamp.  
> Otter =
> Slough CA=20
>   has many roads that border pools/fields that allow what I call  
> "auto =
> birding"=20
>   where I birdwatch from my vehicle or I step out onto the roadside  
> (in =
> a=20
>   fashion that I don't startle waterfowl or harrass hunters in the =
> process).=20
>   Last thing I want to be is in someone's crosshairs&nbsp;(literal  
> or=20
>   figurative) . . . for any reason.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>I know I'm young  
> and =
> naive and=20
>   have much to learn. I'm not sure if what I've mentioned here  
> pertains =
> to=20
>   things up there, but I thought I'd share. I know it really doesn't =
> help the=20
>   fact that we are granted less access the waterfowl during hunting =
> season. I=20
>   guess I'm just sharing what I learned from this MDC official last=20
>   night.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Good Birding my friend!<BR><BR>Chris=20
>   Barrigar<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Stoddard Co.<BR><A=20
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