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Subject:

Re: Men women sex - The scientific pov.

From:

Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]>

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T. S. Eliot Discussion forum.

Date:

Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:07:36 -0800

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I received it without all those directions showing
in my regular mailer Outlook Express. Might the trouble
be in your own mailer?

P.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nancy Gish" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: Men women sex - The scientific pov.


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> >>> <[log in to unmask]>01/29/09 12:17 PM >>>
> And when Eliot does look at sexual relations between men and women, it is,
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> observing with (perhaps) sympathetic horror rather than a didactic or =
> prescriptive polemic aimed at women:=20
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> One of the low on whom assurance sits
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> As a silk hat on a Bradford millionaire.
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> The time is now propitious, as he guesses,
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> His vanity requires no response,
> <A name=3D241>=20
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> And makes a welcome of indifference.
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nancy <A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-5 title=3D"Click here to replace =
> with: Gosh, Gush, Geisha, Fish, Gigs, Gins, Gash"
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> ine.edu/gw/webacc?merge=3Dblank&User.context=3Dcl1imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">Gish =
> <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: <A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-6 title=3D"Click here to replace with: =
> Thou, Thru, Thud, Thug, Thus, Thule, Thurs"
href=3D"https://gw.usm.maine.ed=
> u/gw/webacc?merge=3Dblank&User.context=3Dcl1imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">Thu, 29 Jan
=
> 2009 11:28 am
> Subject: Re: Men women sex - The scientific <A id=3Dsp-7 title=3D"Click =
> here to replace with: Po, prove, Provo, ova, plover, pro, proved" =
>
href=3D"https://gw.usm.maine.edu/gw/webacc?merge=3Dblank&User.context=3Dcl1=
> imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#" class3D?spell?>pov.
>
>
> Well, he is quite certain that he does know.  That is what is so
infuriatin=
> g.  Eliot, on the other hand, seems never to be concerned about it.  "Ode"
=
> is an ode to total sexual narcissism; the narrator seems utterly unaware =
> that another person might have feelings about such an awful experience.
> Nancy
>
>
> >>> Diana <A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-8 title=3D"Click here to replace with:
=
> Minister, Canister, Banister, Ministers, Monster, Minster, Munster" =
>
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> imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">Manister 01/29/09 10:57 AM >>>
> Dear Nancy,
> =20
> What infuriates me about Lawrence are his sexual imperatives, as if he =
> knew what sexual behavior was best for women. Lady <A class=3Dspell =
> id=3Dsp-9 title=3D"Click here to replace with: Cattery, Chattel, Chatter,
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> Chastely, Chattily, Chattier, Clattery"
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> /webacc?merge=3Dblank&User.context=3Dcl1imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">Chatterly is =
> pitied because her husband didn't satisfy her, so that she brought herself
=
> to orgasm. <A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-10 title=3D"Click here to replace =
> with: Mellor's, Mellor, Mellows, Smellers, Melons, Mueller, Millers" =
>
href=3D"https://gw.usm.maine.edu/gw/webacc?merge=3Dblank&User.context=3Dcl1=
> imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">Mellors is the answer to a woman's prayer because she =
> depends totally on his actions for her sexual satisfaction. Give me a =
> break!=20
> =20
> If women's sexual satisfaction depended totally on men's sexual expertise
=
> women would have a lot less sexual satisfaction than if self-satisfaction
=
> were in their repertoires.
> =20
> Diana
>
>
> <HR id=3DstopSpelling>
> Date: <A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-11 title=3D"Click here to replace with: =
> Thou, Thru, Thud, Thug, Thus, Thule, Thurs" ef=3D"#" hr>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 =
> 01:40:02 -0500
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Men women sex - The scientific <A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-12 =
> title=3D"Click here to replace with: Po, prove, Provo, ova, plover, pro, =
> proved"
href=3D"https://gw.usm.maine.edu/gw/webacc?merge=3Dblank&User.conte=
> xt=3Dcl1imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">pov.
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
> "Women" is a plural; there are as many differences as similarities, as =
> there are for men.
> =20
> But, some things we all share, as do men.  One is the desire for sexual =
> pleasure.  When someone without a clitoris pronounces on the failure of =
> femininity of those who have clitoral orgasms, he is clearly totally out =
> of his range of understanding.  When Lawrence tells women they should be =
> hidden, he is simply defining what he has no experience of. =20
> =20
> If I said men should, for example, not be allowed in public because they =
> cannot control themselves, I assume you would think that a stupid =
> stereotype based on total lack of understanding of differences between the
=
> vast majority of men and rapists. =20
> =20
> So it is quite possible to say Lawrence did not understand women; he =
> didn't seem to understand most men either.  The only love scene in Women =
> in Love is the two men wrestling on the rug.  There is not a shred of love
=
> between any man and woman.  Yet men and women do often love each other, as
=
> do men and men or women and women.  Unfortunately, Lawrence thought the =
> sexual function (and source of pleasure for women) was exclusively giving
=
> pleasure to men.  Well.
> Nancy
>
> >>> Peter Montgomery 01/29/09 12:06 AM >>>
> SO what does it mean to say that <A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-13
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>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: <A [log in to unmask]
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Na=
> ncy <A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-15 title=3D"Click here to replace with: Gosh,
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> Gush, Geisha, Fish, Gigs, Gins, Gash"
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> ebacc?merge=3Dblank&User.context=3Dcl1imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">Gish=20
> To: <A [log in to unmask]
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">TSE@=
> PO.MISSOURI.EDU=20
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Men women sex - The scientific <A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-16 =
> title=3D"Click here to replace with: Po, prove, Provo, ova, plover, pro, =
> proved"
href=3D"https://gw.usm.maine.edu/gw/webacc?merge=3Dblank&User.conte=
> xt=3Dcl1imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">pov.
>
> It depends what one means by "understand."  It's a William James question.
=
>  We assume that because we share language, we can share much and
understand=
>  much about one another.  But there are experiences one can not really =
> "understand" without any direct knowledge--at least I think so.
> =20
> In any case, this is not a yes/no question and does not have a definitive
=
> answer.  It is semantic.
> Cheers,
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>
>
> >>> Peter Montgomery 01/28/09 11:31 PM >>>
> Which raises the question,
> can one human being understand another?
> <A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-18 title=3D"Click here to replace with: AP, BP, =
> HP, LP, MP, PA, PC"
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>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: <A [log in to unmask]
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Na=
> ncy <A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-19 title=3D"Click here to replace with: Gosh,
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> Gush, Geisha, Fish, Gigs, Gins, Gash"
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> ebacc?merge=3Dblank&User.context=3Dcl1imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">Gish=20
> To: <A [log in to unmask]
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">TSE@=
> PO.MISSOURI.EDU=20
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Men women sex - The scientific <A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-20 =
> title=3D"Click here to replace with: Po, prove, Provo, ova, plover, pro, =
> proved"
href=3D"https://gw.usm.maine.edu/gw/webacc?merge=3Dblank&User.conte=
> xt=3Dcl1imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">pov.
>
> Despite the scientific work in this article, which I read, the question =
> remains as absurd as when Freud asked it.  There is no one thing women =
> want.  And if they respond to more sexual images than men, we do not know
=
> that it is just because women are innately more polymorphous (though I =
> think they very likely are more open to experience, in practice) or =
> whether it is just that men, especially in this culture, are taught to be
=
> so much more inhibited.  Tell it Socrates.  Or many other cultures where a
=
> range of sexuality is not just blanked out or suppressed.
> =20
> Like men, women are individuals with many many kinds of response:  there =
> is not an essential "woman" whose desire can be identified and
generalized.=
>   Note "the feminine soul" as if there were such a thing but not a =
> "masculine soul."  Or "a woman" but infinite possible men.  It's a =
> meaningless question. =20
> Nancy
> =20
>
>
> =20
>
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> font-size: 13px; '><DIV><BR><BR></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt;
<[log in to unmask]>01/29/=
> 09 12:17 PM &gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>And when Eliot does look at sexual relations =
> between men and women, it is, at least in <SPAN class=3DApple-style-span =
> style=3D"FONT-STYLE: italic"><A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-0 title=3D"Click =
> here to replace with: TOWEL, TWILL, TLC, TRW, TAW, TOW, TOWELS"
href=3D"htt=
>
ps://gw.usm.maine.edu/gw/webacc?merge=3Dblank&amp;User.context=3Dcl1imbMe6s=
> t6oi6Mmd#">TWL</A></SPAN>, as a third party observing with (perhaps) =
> sympathetic horror rather than a didactic or prescriptive polemic aimed at
=
> women:=20
> <DIV><BR class=3Dwebkit-block-placeholder></DIV>
> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 18px; COLOR: =
> rgb(0,0,32); FONT-FAMILY: Times">
> <TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 align=3Dcenter>
> <TBODY>
> <TR>
> <TD>He, the young man carbuncular, arrives,</TD>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop align=3Dright><FONT size=3D-2><A
name=3D231>&nbsp;</A></FO=
> NT></TD></TR>
> <TR>
> <TD>A small house agent's clerk, with one bold stare,</TD>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop align=3Dright><FONT size=3D-2><A
name=3D232>&nbsp;</A></FO=
> NT></TD></TR>
> <TR>
> <TD>One of the low on whom assurance sits</TD>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop align=3Dright><FONT size=3D-2><A
name=3D233>&nbsp;</A></FO=
> NT></TD></TR>
> <TR>
> <TD>As a silk hat on a Bradford millionaire.</TD>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop align=3Dright><FONT size=3D-2><A
name=3D234>&nbsp;</A></FO=
> NT></TD></TR>
> <TR>
> <TD>The time is now propitious, as he guesses,</TD>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop align=3Dright><FONT size=3D-2><A
name=3D235><I>&nbsp;235</=
> I></A></FONT></TD></TR>
> <TR>
> <TD>The meal is ended, she is bored and tired,</TD>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop align=3Dright><FONT size=3D-2><A
name=3D236>&nbsp;</A></FO=
> NT></TD></TR>
> <TR>
> <TD><A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-2 title=3D"Click here to replace with: =
> Endeavors, Endeavor, Endeavored, Rendezvous, Endeavoring, Edematous, =
> Mendacious"
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> er.context=3Dcl1imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">Endeavours</A> to en gage her in =
> caresses</TD>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop align=3Dright><FONT size=3D-2><A
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> NT></TD></TR>
> <TR>
> <TD>Which still are <A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-3 title=3D"Click here to =
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> NT></TD></TR>
> <TR>
> <TD>Exploring hands encounter no <A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-4 title=3D"Click
=
> here to replace with: de fence, defense, deface, deafened, defected, =
> defended, defender"
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> <TD vAlign=3Dtop align=3Dright><FONT size=3D-2><A
name=3D240><I>&nbsp;240</=
> I></A></FONT></TD></TR>
> <TR>
> <TD>His vanity requires no response,</TD>
> <TD vAlign=3Dtop align=3Dright><FONT size=3D-2><A
name=3D241>&nbsp;</A></FO=
> NT></TD></TR>
> <TR>
> <TD>And makes a welcome of indifference.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></SPAN>
> <DIV><BR class=3Dwebkit-block-placeholder></DIV>
> <DIV><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Nancy <A
class=3Dspell=
>  id=3Dsp-5 title=3D"Click here to replace with: Gosh, Gush, Geisha, Fish,
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> Gigs, Gins, Gash"
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> amp;User.context=3Dcl1imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">Gish</A>
&lt;[log in to unmask]&gt=
> ;<BR>To: [log in to unmask]<BR>Sent: <A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-6
title=3D"C=
> lick here to replace with: Thou, Thru, Thud, Thug, Thus, Thule, Thurs" =
> href=3D"https://gw.usm.maine.edu/gw/webacc?merge=3Dblank&amp;User.context=
> =3Dcl1imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">Thu</A>, 29 Jan 2009 11:28 am<BR>Subject: Re: Men
=
> women sex - The scientific <A id=3Dsp-7 title=3D"Click here to replace =
> with: Po, prove, Provo, ova, plover, pro, proved"
href=3D"https://gw.usm.ma=
> ine.edu/gw/webacc?merge=3Dblank&amp;User.context=3Dcl1imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#" =
> class3D?spell?>pov</A>.<BR><BR>
> <DIV id=3DAOLMsgPart_2_4c3d904c-2903-44f7-b4a6-65c718b30144>
> <DIV>Well, he is quite certain that he does know.&nbsp; That is what is so
=
> infuriating.&nbsp; Eliot, on the other hand, seems never to be concerned =
> about it.&nbsp; "Ode" is an ode to total sexual narcissism; the narrator =
> seems utterly unaware that another person might have feelings about such =
> an awful experience.</DIV>
> <DIV>Nancy<BR><BR></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt; Diana <A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-8 =
> title=3D"Click here to replace with: Minister, Canister, Banister, =
> Ministers, Monster, Minster, Munster"
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> ebacc?merge=3Dblank&amp;User.context=3Dcl1imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">Manister</A> =
> 01/29/09 10:57 AM &gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>Dear Nancy,<BR>&nbsp;<BR>What infuriates
=
> me about Lawrence are his sexual imperatives, as if he knew what sexual =
> behavior was best for women. Lady <A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-9
title=3D"Click=
>  here to replace with: Cattery, Chattel, Chatter, Chastely, Chattily, =
> Chattier, Clattery"
href=3D"https://gw.usm.maine.edu/gw/webacc?merge=3Dblan=
> k&amp;User.context=3Dcl1imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">Chatterly</A> is pitied because
=
> her husband didn't satisfy her, so that she brought herself to orgasm. <A
=
> class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-10 title=3D"Click here to replace with: Mellor's, =
> Mellor, Mellows, Smellers, Melons, Mueller, Millers"
href=3D"https://gw.usm=
>
.maine.edu/gw/webacc?merge=3Dblank&amp;User.context=3Dcl1imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">=
> Mellors</A> is the answer to a woman's prayer because she depends totally
=
> on his actions for her sexual satisfaction. Give me a break!
<BR>&nbsp;<BR>=
> If women's sexual satisfaction depended totally on men's sexual expertise
=
> women would have a lot less sexual satisfaction than if self-satisfaction
=
> were in their repertoires.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Diana<BR><BR><BR>
> <HR id=3DstopSpelling>
> <BR>Date: <A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-11 title=3D"Click here to replace with:
=
> Thou, Thru, Thud, Thug, Thus, Thule, Thurs" ef=3D"#" hr>Thu</A>, 29 Jan =
> 2009 01:40:02 -0500<BR>From: <A
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">ngish@U=
> SM.MAINE.EDU</A><BR>Subject: Re: Men women sex - The scientific <A =
> class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-12 title=3D"Click here to replace with: Po, prove, =
> Provo, ova, plover, pro, proved"
href=3D"https://gw.usm.maine.edu/gw/webacc=
> ?merge=3Dblank&amp;User.context=3Dcl1imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">pov</A>.<BR>To: <A
=
> href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A><BR><BR><BR>
> <DIV>"Women" is a plural; there are as many differences as similarities, =
> as there are for men.</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>But, some things we all share, as do men.&nbsp; One is the desire for
=
> sexual pleasure.&nbsp; When someone without a clitoris pronounces on the =
> failure of femininity of those who have clitoral orgasms, he is clearly =
> totally out of his range of understanding.&nbsp; When Lawrence tells women
=
> they should be hidden, he is simply defining what he has no experience =
> of.&nbsp; </DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>If I said men should, for example, not be allowed in public because =
> they cannot control themselves, I assume you would think that a stupid =
> stereotype based on total lack of understanding of differences between the
=
> vast majority of men and rapists.&nbsp; </DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>So it is quite possible to say Lawrence did not understand women; he
=
> didn't seem to understand most men either.&nbsp; The only love scene in =
> <EM>Women in Love</EM> is the two men wrestling on the rug.&nbsp; There is
=
> not a shred of love between any man and woman.&nbsp; Yet men and women do
=
> often love each other, as do men and men or women and women.&nbsp; =
> Unfortunately, Lawrence thought the sexual function (and source of =
> pleasure for women) was <STRONG>exclusively</STRONG>&nbsp;giving pleasure
=
> to men.&nbsp; Well.<BR>Nancy<BR></DIV>&gt;&gt;&gt; Peter Montgomery =
> 01/29/09 12:06 AM &gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>SO what does it mean to say that <A =
> class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-13 title=3D"Click here to replace with: XYZ, oxy, x,
=
> X, ax, ex, ix"
href=3D"https://gw.usm.maine.edu/gw/webacc?merge=3Dblank&amp=
> ;User.context=3Dcl1imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">xyz</A> writer did not understand =
> women?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-14
title=3D"Click=
>  here to replace with: AP, BP, HP, LP, MP, PA, PC"
href=3D"https://gw.usm.m=
>
aine.edu/gw/webacc?merge=3Dblank&amp;User.context=3Dcl1imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">P<=
> /A>.</FONT></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
> 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
black"><B>=
> From:</B> <A [log in to unmask]
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]
> ">Nancy <A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-15 title=3D"Click here to replace with: =
> Gosh, Gush, Geisha, Fish, Gigs, Gins, Gash"
href=3D"https://gw.usm.maine.ed=
>
u/gw/webacc?merge=3Dblank&amp;User.context=3Dcl1imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">Gish</A><=
> /A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A [log in to unmask]
=
> href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 28, 2009 =
> 8:50 PM</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Men women sex - The =
> scientific <A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-16 title=3D"Click here to replace =
> with: Po, prove, Provo, ova, plover, pro, proved"
href=3D"https://gw.usm.ma=
>
ine.edu/gw/webacc?merge=3Dblank&amp;User.context=3Dcl1imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">pov=
> </A>.</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>
> <DIV>It depends what one means by "understand."&nbsp; It's a William James
=
> question.&nbsp; We assume that because we share language, we can share =
> much and understand much about one another.&nbsp; But there are
experiences=
>  one can not really "understand" without any direct knowledge--at least I
=
> think so.</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>In any case, this is not a yes/no question and does not have a =
> definitive answer.&nbsp; It is semantic.</DIV>
> <DIV>Cheers,<BR><A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-17 title=3D"Click here to replace
=
> with: MN, NB, NC, ND, NE, NH, NJ"
href=3D"https://gw.usm.maine.edu/gw/webac=
>
c?merge=3Dblank&amp;User.context=3Dcl1imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">N</A><BR><BR></DIV>=
> &gt;&gt;&gt; Peter Montgomery 01/28/09 11:31 PM &gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Which raises the question,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>can one human being understand
another?</F=
> ONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-18
title=3D"Click=
>  here to replace with: AP, BP, HP, LP, MP, PA, PC"
href=3D"https://gw.usm.m=
>
aine.edu/gw/webacc?merge=3Dblank&amp;User.context=3Dcl1imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">P<=
> /A>.</FONT></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
> 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
black"><B>=
> From:</B> <A [log in to unmask]
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]
> ">Nancy <A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-19 title=3D"Click here to replace with: =
> Gosh, Gush, Geisha, Fish, Gigs, Gins, Gash"
href=3D"https://gw.usm.maine.ed=
>
u/gw/webacc?merge=3Dblank&amp;User.context=3Dcl1imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">Gish</A><=
> /A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A [log in to unmask]
=
> href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 28, 2009 =
> 8:13 PM</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Men women sex - The =
> scientific <A class=3Dspell id=3Dsp-20 title=3D"Click here to replace =
> with: Po, prove, Provo, ova, plover, pro, proved"
href=3D"https://gw.usm.ma=
>
ine.edu/gw/webacc?merge=3Dblank&amp;User.context=3Dcl1imbMe6st6oi6Mmd#">pov=
> </A>.</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>
> <DIV>Despite the scientific work in this article, which I read, the =
> question remains as absurd as when Freud asked it.&nbsp; There is&nbsp;no
=
> one thing women want.&nbsp; And if they respond to more sexual images than
=
> men, we do not know that it is just because women are <STRONG>innately =
> </STRONG>more polymorphous (though I think they very likely are more open
=
> to experience, in <STRONG>practice</STRONG>) or whether it is just that =
> men, especially in this culture,&nbsp;are taught to be so much more =
> inhibited.&nbsp; Tell it Socrates.&nbsp; Or many other cultures where a =
> range of sexuality is not just blanked out or suppressed.</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>Like men, women are individuals with many many kinds of
response:&nbsp=
> ; there is not an essential "woman" whose desire can be identified and =
> generalized.&nbsp; Note "the feminine soul" as if there were such a thing
=
> but not a "masculine soul."&nbsp; Or "a woman" but infinite possible =
> men.&nbsp; It's a meaningless question.&nbsp; </DIV>
> <DIV>Nancy</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
>
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