About Peter's post -- just thought the same thing!
D.S. as an exception to the others, all place names.
I never shared the general opinion about D.S. being the "weakest" of
There is, I always perceived, a haunting quality within it, in
correspondence with what the sea is all about...
Like a prelude to L.G., reminding of eternity
Am 12.01.2009 um 19:39 schrieb Carrol Cox:
> This is interesting! Its content is interesting, but of even greater
> interest is the discovery that when he chooses to Peter can engage
> in a
> conversation rather han hurl spitballs from the margin. Why don't you
> keep it up, Peter. It would immensely raise the tone of the list.
> In at least one instance (the one in my memory just now) when Eliot
> _does_ touch, at first positively, on a fully human tradition, he ends
> by reducing it to the 'merely' natural: the passage in East Coker
> begins with early modern English to express the formality of marriage,
> and ends with dung and coppulation and death.
> Incidentally. Nancy mentions that Eliot had himself sailed off the
> of New England. Were those rocks more dangereous in heading out to sea
> or in returning? Probably irrelevant, but I'm looking for
> something to
> support Peter's speculation on old vs new world culture. Do the rocks
> represent more of a danger for one returning to the new or leaving the
> new world?
> Of course the absence of evidence is not evidence; that is, the
> of "New World Culture" from Four Quartets is not itself evidence of
> anything. It just may be that the only 'natural' (and frightenting)
> forces he had encountered were all from his youth -- the River, these
> rocks. He never tried to scale the Matterhorn or go skiing in
> Norway, or
> even swim the channel.
>> Another curiosity is that the other titlesin 4Q, while all place
>> are also places with a constructed history, constructed by people.
>> D.S. Is a natural place, on which nothing has been constructed but
>> It is, in fact, a natural elemental, quite in contrast to the other
>> sugesting perhaps that he had nothing by way of human construction
>> in the new world with which he could identify in terms of his
>> rootedness. The culture of the new world is still too new.
>> "ever, forever implacable"
>> Can those rocks bear all that weight?