Chokh Raj wrote:
> the dialectics of Eliot's poetry
Just what do you mean by dialectics. From what follows you use the word
as a fancy synonym for many-voiced, which really has not much to do with
dialectics. Dialectics (whether Platonic, Cartesian, Hegelian, Marxian,
or Whiteheadian) involves some special sort of totality. A poem, in fact
any text, builds by synthesis rather than unfolding dialectic.
> where echoes move back and forth
> and echo to echo resounds
> the story of Eliot's poetry
> at heart, the story of Mr Norton
> (meet Mr Eliot)
> aspiring for a lifetime's burning in love
> and getting instead burnt
> in the fires of lust.
> Burning burning burning burning
> O Lord Thou pluckest me out
> O Lord Thou pluckest
> You're getting it right, Tom
> the blue chart up your sleeve
> standing at the threshold
> the door is right before you
> you've got the key
> open it for all of us to walk through
> a revelation both simple and profound.
> --- On Fri, 1/30/09, Gunnar Jauch <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> From: Gunnar Jauch <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: The Dry Salvages - what's in a name?
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 9:32 AM
> Am 30.01.2009 um 13:51 schrieb Tom Colket:
> > I've been away for a few weeks, so I hope it's not too
> > late to answer this.
> > My main comment is that the all four of the quartets have
> > odd titles if one chooses to look at it that way, not just
> > "The Dry Salvages":
> > a) "Burnt Norton" - A poem about a beautiful garden starts
> > with the word "burnt".
> > b) "East Coker" - The Modernists glorified the Western
> > canon, and this poem begins with the word "East".
> > c) "The Dry Salvages" - As you say, "focuses so
> > eloquently, beautifully and subtly on water, has a title
> > that begins with the word DRY".
> > d) "Little Gidding" - A poem that directs out attention to
> > God and God's ultimate _big_ plans for the universe ("All
> > shall be well . . .") has a title that begins with the
> > word "little".
> > Was Eliot doing some kind of deliberate word-play with the
> > titles? Were the titles just names of significant places
> > that happened to be two-word names in which the first word
> > inverts the expected meaning of the following poem?
> > Maybe.
> > -- Tom --
> What an excellent observation, dear Tom!
> In spite of my ongoing effort to memorize 4Q I have never
> noticed the inherent dichotomy between the titles and the