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[Fwd: [radcaucus] Re: wikipedia]

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Carrol Cox <[log in to unmask]>

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T. S. Eliot Discussion forum.

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Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:08:40 -0500

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          I believe we have discussed Wikipedia on this list
          before. The following might be of interest to some.

          Carrol

          -------- Original Message --------
          Subject: [radcaucus] Re: wikipedia
          Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:03:13 -0700 (PDT)
          From: Steven Thomas <[log in to unmask]>
          Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
          To: [log in to unmask]


          When I teach, I often look up stuff on wikipedia
          because I assume my students are looking stuff up
          there too. And sometimes, students will write papers
          that seem to rely on wikipedia's explanation of
          Derrida (or whatever I am teaching) rather than the
          Derrida that I actually assigned them to read, but
          more often, they use wikipedia to help them read
          what I assigned, and this seems like a perfectly
          good way to use it. And over the past couple years,
          I've found that the explanations of literary terms
          (e.g., metaphor, etc.) and theoretical terms (e.g.,
          the gaze) in Wikipedia to be superior to the
          explanations I've seen in textbooks and traditional
          encyclopedias. So, in my view, wikipedia kinda
          rocks.

          Obviously, sometimes we can't trust the information
          in Wikipedia and sometimes the entries are just
          weak, but everyone knows that -- our students
          already know that. In contrast, we are expected to
          trust the information in the Washington Post, New
          York Times, and The Chronicle of Higher Education,
          and our students often cite what they see there as
          "fact." Personally, I am probably more suspicious of
          these newspapers than I am of wikipedia. What makes
          Wikipedia superior to the Washington Post and the
          New York Times is that Wikipedia either cites its
          sources (even providing very useful links) or tells
          you in bold letters that no sources are being cited,
          thus alerting students to the importance of
          citation. For instance, has anyone seen Bill Moyer's
          show on "selling the Iraq war"? A classic case of
          lots of claims about Iraq in the newspapers with no
          real sources of information.

          In teaching, I think it's a mistake to tell students
          not to cite or use wikipedia. They will use it
          anyway. Rather, we should be teaching them the right
          way to use it.

          best, Steve

          HOWARD HASTINGS <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

          I am surprised to find myself defending Wikipedia,
          but here goes:

          One feature I like about this collectively produced,
          online encyclopedia is that disputed articles are
          generally tagged as such, with links to opposing
          views on disputed matter, thus giving students some
          sense of how knowledge isn't simply "given" but
          "produced," often under very politicized conditions.
          (E.g., check the article on Copernucs for the
          current dispute over his nationality.)  One can't
          get a good sense of this from textbooks, which can't
          be revised online the way some Wikipedia articles
          are, and so often appear to students as Truth
          dropped from heaven and fixed for all time.

          When it comes to less contested knowledge, such as,
          for example, summaries or reviews of classical
          myths. I don't see why Wikipedia isn't as good as
          most other introductory sources.  It is more like a
          library in which one has to sift and sort through
          sources as one does in a "real" library or a
          collection of archives, with the reliability and the
          value of the matter one finds judged with reference
          to the project at hand. So treating Wikipedia like a
          unitary production under focused editorial control,
          and then rejecting it wholesale as automatically bad
          or untrustworthy when "errors" appear in entries on
          current political candidates doesn't strike me as an
          especially scholarly and critical valuation of this
          resource.

          Howard Hastings

          [log in to unmask] schrieb:


          Grover, you asked what's wrong with Wikipedia.
          Here's an answer, from the Media Notes section of
          today's Washington Post:<?xml:namespace prefix = o
          ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

          My confidence in Wikipedia has diminished somewhat,
          to put it mildly, after reading this Eve Fairbanks
          dispatch in the New Republic: "There was the day in
          February when an editor replaced a photo of Hillary
          on her Wikipedia page with a picture of a walrus.
          Then there was the day this month when a Hillary
          supporter changed Obama's bio so that it referred to
          him as 'a Kenyan-American politician.' But such
          sweepingly hostile edits are usually fixed quickly
          by other Wikipedia users. Often, it's the most
          arcane distinctions on the candidates' pages that
          provoke the bitterest tugs-of-war. "Recently, an
          angry battle broke out on Hillary's page over
          whether to describe Clinton as 'a leading candidate
          for the Democratic nomination' or just 'a
          candidate,' since each phrase implies a different
          shade of judgment on her chances. Five minutes after
          an Obama supporter deleted 'leading' just after 11
          p.m. on March 8, another editor put it back. Seven
          minutes after that, the word was deleted again. Some
          thirty minutes after that, it was put back . . . At
          around six in the morning, completing the atmosphere
          of pandemonium, somebody replaced Hillary's whole
          page with 'It has been reported that Hillary Rodham
          Clinton has contracted genital herpes due to sexual
          intercourse with an orangutan.' "

          Not the kind of source I look to for accuracy.

          Ted Steinberg


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