It may sound ok, but unfortunately I learned differently when we had even tiny quotes in the Cambridge book.  We had to remove them.  I still don't know how to address the problem, but one point here is that Eliot's work is not out of copyright.  It continues until long after the poet's death, not just the copyright date.  Hence the fact that no one can read Eliot's letters to Emily Hale, though they are long past any copyright date or the poet's death.  I thought it was 50 years, but I think the letters can not be seen until 2019 or 2020.  And even TWL--from 1922--is still not out of copyright.  It's held by the estate, i.e., Valerie, and charges for even slight quotations are very high.  It's ironic for a poet whose own work is a mass of lines from other texts.

Tracking down permissions is one of the long and tiresome tasks of editing.  I knew the number of years once but no longer remember for certain.

I'm sure Rick can give us the details on dates----Rick?

Nancy

>>> Diana Manister <[log in to unmask]> 03/25/08 11:24 AM >>>

Nancy and Rick: I am so glad I asked the question. I thought TWL would be out of copyright everywhere. Quoting another poet's copyrighted work is ok in a review if the quote is brief. It can also be fair use if it is sampled in a satirical work or parody. But it seems like a bad idea to simply sample TWL in a serious literary work. Bummer. Diana
> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:53:39 -0400> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Copyright and TWL> To: [log in to unmask]> > The Cambridge guidelines I was sent define copyright in the UK rather differently from that in the US. It depends less on amount of copy and mainly on how it is used: one must immediately comment directly on the quotation and use it to make an argument.> > But quoting anything at all from Eliot is fraught with the danger of extremely high fees. We found it necessary to cut almost every word of quotation. I suggest that anyone planning to use any of it be very certain what the implications are for cost.> Nancy> > >>> "Rickard A. Parker" <[log in to unmask]> 03/25/08 8:23 AM >>>> > Many thanks Rick! What great information! > > > > What if TWL is "sampled" in a poem that is published in a book in the US,> > and the publisher also distributes the book in the UK?> > > Could be a problem. If TWL *WERE* still in copyright in the> U.S. and you included about 6 lines in maybe a 60 line poem of> your own you could probably get away with it in the U.S. under the> "fair use" exclusions to the copyright act (but that is for the> judge/jury to decide.) The U.K. has a similar exclusion called> "fair dealing" but it is not as liberal.> > If I were the publisher and thinking about selling a book in the U.K.> I would not even call in a lawyer; your poem would be excluded.> > Regards,> Rick Parker> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_dealing
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