Whether one agrees with any specific comment from Diana or not, she is seriously interested in understanding the poetry, and she does not send silly attempts to yank chains. Can you ever stop this sort of personal meanness? On what possible grounds are your constant quips serious compared to her honest questions? Shame on you--again.
>>> Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]> 08/09/07 9:16 PM >>>
I think Diana is just trying to yank chains here again.
Not worth taking seriously.
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From: "Carrol Cox" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: Fearing death by water
> Diana Manister wrote:
> > Tom, if the body is seen as an impediment to salvation, its
> > destruction is a good thing, right? This attitude exists within
> > Christianity - from Aquinas maybe.
> You describe Manichaeism -- which Aquinas so hated that there is a
> legend to the effect that once while an invited guest at a banquet put
> on by Louis XI(?) he suddenly leaped up with the medieval equivalent of
> Eureka and dashed out of the room to get down an idea he had just had
> for the refutation of Manichaeism. Hatred of the body is heresy because
> it casts doubt on the doctrine of the Incarnation and the Sacrament of
> the Mass. Gnosticism had a similar hatred of the body.
> This is not to say there isn't a strong flavor of manichaeism in a lot
> of Christian thought, but don't blame it on Aquinas. For Dante heaven is
> only a sort of semi-heaven until the last judgment when the souls in
> heaven will be reunited with their bodies, that union being essential
> for true human bliss. (Incidentally, contrdicting modern Papist dogma,
> Aquinas held that the fetus acquired a soul only with the second
> trimester, hence he could have approved of abortion in the first
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