"Through the room the women..."
There is nothing like seeing the original statue of David
(or at least one of its full sized copies). This David
(will that be supersized or circumcised?) is quite a bit
bigger than Goliath, and stands in a state of pure potency,
with the sternest stare, ready to let loose at a foe even larger
than himself. Who COULD it be?
By the way, somewhere on the web there is is an advertisement for
a full sized copy of David, several hundred dollars, if I remember
----- Original Message -----
From: cr mittal
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: autobiography & 4Q
BTW, here's a funny comment from Wikipedia:
In one episode of Dinosaur Comics, T-Rex muses that there must also be
an anti-solipsism, in which one believes that everything in the universe is
real except themselves.... In the same comic, Utahraptor suggested the
proper treatment for solipsism is to tell him about anti-solipsism and then
punch the solipsist and say "Stop imagining punching yourself."
Diana Manister <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Mallarmé indicated that when an artist removes God fom the altar, the self
replaces it as an object of adoration. The self is eaten and shared with the
devoted. In poetry, this results in solipsism as subject. Eliot avoided this
by leaving God on the altar.
Jewel Spears Brookner noted that Prufrock walks the line where the decision
to replace God with the self torments him: the ritual of consuming the wafer
and wine in the Mass is replaced with the secular "taking of a toast and
tea," and the Word is replaced by words, which accounts for J. Alfred's
Mallarmé predicted that artists would liberate the Christian Mass which he
called "a barbarous meal" and replace it with celebrations of the death and
rebirth of nature in which the artists replaces the priest. Eliot avoided
the solipsism Brookner describes by maintaining his faith as a subject. Or
perhaps one should say his faiths, since tradition is inseparable for him
from his religious faith.
From: Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: autobiography & 4Q
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:38:32 -0800
Embryology provides interest, but not necessarily
understanding. Usually! The thought occurs that
a poet's life as poet (not lover, or book publisher, or
son, or misogynist or whatever) could well be an object in
a poem which has as a major thread, the making of
poetry. Can poetry be made out of the maker of the poetry?
It certainly treads a fine thread between depersonalisation
and self preoccupation. In an age of prose, it is perhaps
appropriate that such a pursuit would have something of
an expository character.
Such biography would be less concerned with dates,
and persons, and more with the development of the
One could think that in the end, that is ALL the poet
has to write about, if the other poetry has pretty much
all been written. It would be the door marked EXIT for
the poet as poet. The fire and the rose and the word are one.
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