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MOBIRDS-L  January 2007, Week 4

MOBIRDS-L January 2007, Week 4

Subject:

Goose i.d. help

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Edge <[log in to unmask]>

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Edge <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 26 Jan 2007 08:40:15 -0600

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Below is an excellent contribution to the nuances of goose i.d.  
posted by Jeff Wilson on the TN listserve.  He followed up by  
collecting pertinent photos which can be found at

http://www.pbase.com/ol_coot/small_geese


Enjoy!

Edge Wade
Columbia, MO
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Begin forwarded message:

> From: [log in to unmask]
> Date: January 25, 2007 11:11:07 PM CST
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [TN-Bird] Re: More on "Canada" Geese
> Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
> Jan. 25, 2007
>
> Canada Geese in the area.
>
> This all might be "carrying coals to Newcastle" but here goes:
>
> I think separation here, at this time, in this area, is mainly   
> between the
> "interior" Canada and "hutchinsii" Cackling. As changing  as all  
> the goose
> species and subspecies' distribution has been in recent  times, we  
> might find
> ourselves looking through these birds for "parvipies" so  that's a  
> good study for
> their possible future encroachment.
>
> However, forget the size, color and body shape of these three as  
> all of
> these points overlap extensively, instead look closely at head and  
> bill
> structure. That is considered by the people working with these  
> birds  to be the primary
> indicator and these feature hold true to species even in  the many  
> smaller
> birds and even the runts. The runts we see are the results of  poor  
> food during
> early stages of development. These birds never over come the   
> deficit, never
> catching up in growth. Some geese, due to cross and back  breeding  
> just like in
> other species will just not be ID-able but still fun to  deal with.
>
> Time spent with a scope, even on distant birds, will prove helpful  
> in  noting
> the subtle differences. I was shown some of this years ago on the  
> Texas
> coast when suspected "parvipies" were pointed out in with "Lesser  
> or moffitti"
> all this long before the split but even then we were taking notes  
> in TN and  MS
> on "hutchinsii" because of the impending split being banded  about.
>
> The differences are there and used by many researchers as THE key  to
> separation. They are subtle but consistent and most of all it takes  
> TIME  to be
> comfortable with them in the field but it is not magic or  
> imagination.  Nothing
> beats time spent just looking at the details in variations of  the  
> common birds!
>
> There is much to be read on the net about these geese and a lot  of  
> it is
> dated material. New, up to date research is always coming to the   
> fore. Take the
> geese that are a slam dunk ID, study and file the  rest.
>
> This is my quick and much simplified take on what I look for   
> around here as
> a guide line for most of these geese:
>
> Head shape:
>
> "hutchinsii"- steep incline to top of forehead and then rounded to a
> noticeably flat top, peaked at rear before turning down at nape, so  
> a square  headed
> appearance overall.
>
> "parvipies" - head slopes back from the bill base and their crown  
> is  rounded
> and not angular at front or back.
>
> "interior"- usually larger bird with similar head shape as  
> "parvipies' but
> longer forehead, slightly concave slope and rounded rear to nape,
>
> Bills shape:
>
> "hutchinsii" - small triangular shaped, culmen relatively straight,  
> bill no
> more than half the depth of the head.
>
> "parvipies" - slope of culmen about the same as forehead sometimes  
> showing
> no concaveness (if that is a word) bill length is 70% or so of the  
> head  depth.
>
>
> "interior" - slope of culmen slightly concave following up the   
> forehead.
> bill length 80% or more of depth of the head.
>
>
> Good Birding  !!!
>
> Jeff R. Wilson / TLBA
> 6298 Memphis-Arlington Road
> Bartlett, TN  38135
>
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