--- Diana Manister <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
The very phenomenon of wave includes the observer, as
does the phenomenon of particle, since which
phenomenon is perceived is dependent on the
observation itself. The old Cartesian model does not
obtain. The other cannot be separated from the self in
This all again depends on the interpretation of QM we
take as the relevant one. Take, for example, the
Bohmian interpretation: according to it, there are
ALWAYS (at the bottom of ontology, in other words)
particles as well as the wave function, which "guides"
the particles on their trajectories. The whole
discussion is, once again, completely theory (i.e.
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