Well, I don't often agree with Gunnar, but in this case I think he has it
right. While I'm pretty sure that there are some hellish prisons in the US,
what makes them so is more often their clientele than their
administrators. And the great majority of US prisons are middling places
where people are indeed deprived of their liberty but are not tortured.
I've spent a fair amount of time in the latter kind, some uncomfortable
time in the former, though no overnights. (Going in or out, the clanging of
the gate is one of the more powerful sounds I've heard.) Miserable things
can and do happen in US prisons (and, be honest, in prisons everywhere),
but the Gestapo and Nazi "detention camps" are a whole different matter. It
seems to me that a US citizen who calls US prisons as bad as Nazi camps
borders on denying the holocaust. And calling the US a "criminal nation"
stoops to the same rhetorical confusion.
This is not a sanction on criticism of the US; but would you feel free
publicly to condemn a country, in that country, that was as bad as Nazi
Germany was? Obviously you would not. Some discrimination is needed.
At 11:02 AM 5/5/2006, Gunnar Jauch wrote:
>am 5.5.06 14:31 Uhr schrieb Carrol Cox unter [log in to unmask]:
> > Only a criminal nation would maintain such prisons. It is a torture
> > chamber. The Gestapo was no worse.
> > Carrol
>your statements are silly and any comparison with Nazi terror way beyond the
>The trouble with such false analogies is to belittle Nazi terror and,
>therefore, unpardonable. I respect for your erudition but your post was a