Tom Gray wrote:
> From: "Carrol Cox
> > Only a criminal nation would maintain such prisons. It is a torture
> > chamber. The Gestapo was no worse.
> >From Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
I am aware of that, and I very carefully did _not_ apply that specific
label. The charge that X _is_ fascist/nazi is radically different from
the charge that in one or more of its attributes X resembles one or more
of the attributes of a fascist/nazi state. The u.s. is NOT a fascist
state. But from the perspective of humanity as a whole the u.s. is
_worse_ than the fascist states of the early 20th century.
I have for years argued vigorously against using the label "fascist" for
the u.s. All rabbits are mammals but not all mammals are rabbits.
Fascism was a peculiarly vicious species of the genus authoritariamism
in the period between Wars. The U.S. since 1950 has been an even more
vicious species (non-fascist) of the genus authoritarianism than were
those earlier states. Certainly the worldwide deaths for which the u.s.
is responsible far outnumber the worldwide deaths for which the fascist
states were responsible. The IMF (essentially an arm of the U.s.
Treasury) alone has been responsible for a minimum of 20 million deaths
in the 1980s and 1990s. Clinton was responsible for upwards of a million
Iraqi deaths. The overthrow of Mossedegh in the 1950s has led to
undending bloodshed in the Mideast. The overthrow of Lumumba in the
Congo probably led to a million or so deaths, probably several million.
Carter was the initiating source of the endless bloodshed in East Timor
and Afghanistan. And on it goes.
It was, however, for the reason you give, a serious rhetorical error for
me to throw in the Gestapo.