A lot of people wouldn't know what type of clause you intended either.
Could be case of unclear writing.
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From: "Nancy Gish" <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: (OT) Towards a speech of the machine ...
> Here is something computers and math cannot do (by definition I am
> sure): know whether I intend a restrictive or nonrestrictive clause
> where it is optional. Hence the pointlessness of grammar checks, which
> do not seem to know any grammar.
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> Three is an entire field called 'Knowledge Representation' which exists
> do things exactly like this.
> In regard to the recent comments on Diderot, there is a project called
> which is intended to encode all of the common sense and other knowledge
> people use (Cyc as in encyclopedia). For example, Cyc is supposed to be
> to surmise and thus know that if Alice is the mother of Bob then by
> implication Alice is older than Bob. It would be able to build up a set
> rules and facts that would allow it to understand how the world
> Cyc is a massive database project that has been going on for many
> years. Cyc
> was supposed to be able to take human-level queries about real world
> and create useful answers. Now if Cyc were able to do this, it would be
> known far outside the AI community. Since it is not, this is the answer
> your question on the ability of mathematics to represent real world
> knowledge. Determining that the mother of Bob is older than Bob is a
> significant achievement for this program. Now consider this program
> understanding or writing poetry.
> Knowledge beyond the trivial is beyond the scope of mathematics.
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> From: "Vishvesh Obla" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 2:36 PM
> Subject: (OT) Towards a speech of the machine ...
> Written elsewhere but relevant to a discussion a few
> days before:
> A few days before when a few friends of mine were
> sending me birthday wishes which led to further
> correspondence when I remarked that after you cross a
> certain age, birth days also bring in an acute feeling
> of your age, a friend of mine made a humorous remark
> (from a Tamil song) : 'Andondru pOnal vayadhondru
> kUdum.'. I was struck by the beauty of the line for
> the tint of sarcasm (which was humorous) it had.
> Another friend who was not a Tamilian wanted to know
> what it meant. While I was stumbling at various
> expressions to translate it so that it would also
> convey that subtle sarcasm, my wife, who is a computer
> programmer as well, had translated it without batting
> her eyelid with a quick :
> if year++ then age ++
> I was stunned by that expression which I don't know
> what to term as. It wasn't translation, to say the
> obvious. You could translate the lyric blandly as
> 'With the passing of a year, your age increases as
> well' or, if someone had the ability to versify in
> English, write something equally memorable (with that
> subtle sarcasm). But this was neither. It was an
> entire transformation of an *idea* in mathematical
> terms. For, the expression had the precise
> mathematical equivalent of what the lyric conveyed.
> I was struck by it by the questions it arose in my
> mind. Language is of course about conveying sense
> through verbal and written communication, but what
> becomes of communication when it becomes mathematical
> ? It sure does gain in great clarity and precision,
> but I was wondering how oblivious it is of the
> imaginative faculty that enriches language by its
> creative breath. The development of language goes
> through various phases of alterations. Various
> changes are constantly brought in to it by various
> factors as the development of its various dialects,
> influences of other languages etc. When the written
> form of it gets standardized it brings in a great
> change as well for many languages. Change is
> permanent, no doubt. But I was a little concerned
> about a development as this : that is, to express a
> sentiment through mathematical terms. For, I believe,
> this change is going to stay in and influence stronger
> than any other changes the human mind earlier could
> adopt itself to or assimilate while still retaining
> its innate sense of the breath of life a language has
> in it inherently. We have already heard of computers
> composing music and poetry. Is creativity a
> mathematical logic and precision in expression as that
> of that code which expresses the idea brilliantly ? I
> was wondering if in an age when Technology has
> advanced at an unbelievable speed, mankind would
> invariably be more and more pushed towards such
> precise expressions possibly altering language to an
> entirely different level that has been unseen
> Are we seeing the *dawn* of it already ? Or is it a
> doom ?
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