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MOBIRDS-L  March 2006, Week 4

MOBIRDS-L March 2006, Week 4

Subject:

Re: more interesting woodpecker stuff

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Sherry McCowan <[log in to unmask]>

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Sherry McCowan <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:39:34 -0600

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The e-mail from Alvaro Jaramillo is one of a number on this subject  
on birdingonthe.net.  Here's a link to the frontiers of  
identification page where the discussion can be found:

http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/FRID.html#1143242606

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Sherry McCowan
Saint Louis, Missouri
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On Mar 24, 2006, at 8:16 PM, Chris Hobbs wrote:

> If you're not interested in more Ivory-billed discussion, delete  
> now!Birders
>
>  I have been away and just caught up with the woodpecker thread.  
> Maybe this
> is not too helpful as it does not have anything to do directly with  
> the
> identification of IB Woodpecker. It is also long, tangential to the
> discussion and offers no conclusion to this, but a different  
> perspective on
> finding Campephilus woodpeckers. In any case, of the species  
> Campephilus we
> have the Ivory-bill and Imperial which are clearly closely related,  
> the
> tropical Campephilus, and the Magellanic Woodpecker. The latter is  
> a bird
> that in many ways is a good model for understanding the behavior of  
> the
> Ivory-billed. I don't think it is a stretch to think that the  
> sister species
> to Ivory-billed/Imperial is likely to be the Magellanic, rather  
> than the
> tropical species. The three share some plumage and morphological  
> features
> (white on tertials, no red on crest of females, black and unbarred  
> body
> plumage, large size, tendency for females to have longer crests  
> etc.) From a
> habitat standpoint the Magellanic Woodpecker is found in temperate  
> forests,
> not tropical ones, and it needs very old or old growth forests, it  
> does not
> take young forests, at least not commonly. Well, Magellanic  
> Woodpeckers are
> birds I know pretty well from my time birding in Chile, I probably  
> have seen
> over 50 but under 100 at this point. Just to "put it out there"  
> here is a
> summary of my experience with the Magellanic, and some comments on  
> looking
> for the Ivory-billed.
> 	Magellanic Woodpeckers are not rare, but neither are they common.
> You can spend days in their preferred habitat and not see one, or  
> hear one,
> but in many bird tours to Chile I have yet to miss this species on  
> a trip
> (knock on wood). I do often sweat it looking for this species, it  
> certainly
> can be a difficult bird to see given that it is a showy and large
> woodpecker. In size Magellanic is smaller than an Ivory-billed, and  
> not as
> showy in plumage. The habitat I find it in is old growth Nothofagus
> (southern beech) forest, or Araucaria (monkey puzzle) forest. The  
> structure
> of these forests if of huge, tall old trees, draped in moss and  
> lichen on
> the slopes of the Andes. You are generally restricted to searching  
> areas
> near roads or park trails, so a really different situation than I  
> imagine
> from Arkansas. But the similarities are that these forests are  
> temperate, in
> early spring (when I am there) the forests are actually rather  
> quiet due to
> the low diversity of avifauna specifically found there and they are  
> away
> from highways or other noisy distractions. Unlike the Arkansas  
> forests, much
> of the Nothofagus retain leaves year-round, as does the Araucaria,  
> so you
> have more complex viewing conditions than in Arkansas. Most often I  
> find
> Magellanic Woodpeckers by chance, I just happen to catch a glimpse  
> and see
> the bird, or they happen to fly over and we track down where they  
> landed.
> Seldom do I actually hear the birds, either the vocalizations or  
> the double
> rap. On one occasion in late October at one site I could hear many  
> double
> raps going off early in the morning, but this stands out as unusual as
> usually you don't hear them at all. They will often call, or give  
> double
> raps in response to tape playback. Often once found the woodpeckers  
> will
> stay on a tree or set of trees for some time, foraging, flaking  
> bark and
> being rather quiet in their tapping as opposed to birds like  
> Pileateds which
> can be pretty noisy while they forage. On many occasions, once the  
> birds are
> done at a tree they move off by flying long distances to other feeding
> areas. When I am looking for them, I often use tape playback using  
> both
> calls and double raps, and this works. However, it does not work in  
> the way
> that it does with highly responsive species like flycatchers or  
> various
> other territorial passerines which come directly to the sound. The
> Magellanics seldom come right in. Instead, they often fly over,  
> higher than
> canopy level, and just do a fly by. Eventually the fly overs end  
> and the
> bird may come in within a few hundred yards and will be alert, but  
> may start
> feeding quietly while keeping an eye on you. After a while of  
> hearing no
> tape playback the birds often get their confidence up and may do a  
> double
> rap or call. So playback does not get the birds to come right in,  
> but it
> works very well if you know what to be looking for (high fly overs, or
> vocalizations many minutes post playback). When you find a Magellanic
> feeding, or bring one in using playback this quiet and seemingly  
> reclusive
> bird turns out to be rather tame (as most forest woodpeckers tend  
> to be!) If
> the birds are feeding low down, you can approach to distances a  
> flicker
> would never allow. I have not read the historical accounts of Ivory- 
> billed
> Woodpecker, but my sense was that they were also pretty tame. I  
> don't buy
> the hypothesis that collection pressure has selected for extreme  
> waryness,
> mainly since hunting pressure has been low for a good amount of  
> time now,
> and if this idea was generally true most ducks would be amazingly  
> wary given
> intense hunting pressure they are under, but they are not. Magellanic
> Woodpeckers are often found as pairs, but in spring you also  
> sometimes find
> them in trios. Invariably the third bird appears to be a young  
> male, I have
> the hypothesis that this male is a nest helper and I don't know if  
> this is
> something that has been researched. Of course, single birds also  
> are found.
> Pairs tend to react more strongly to playback and have a greater  
> tendency to
> double rap in response to playback than single birds.
> 	To put this all into perspective, Magellanics are quiet, birds found
> in low densities in tall temperate forest. They stay in foraging  
> areas for
> periods of time, then do long flights to new foraging areas.  
> Foraging is
> quiet, tapping is more akin to what you hear from three-toed  
> woodpeckers
> than from Pileated. They are tough to find, but once detected these
> woodpeckers tend to be pretty tame and easy to see. I try to  
> imagine what it
> would be like to find a pair or two of Magellanics in a large  
> forest if that
> was all there was (a hypothetical situation similar to the Arkansas  
> case). I
> think that the quiet nature would generally make them very  
> difficult to
> find, but on the other hand the tendency to fly over the canopy,  
> not through
> the canopy, to get to new foraging areas and the large home ranges  
> would
> actually make them much easier to find that you would think. Most  
> times I
> see Magellanics flying over, and then follow them to the foraging  
> area. Once
> found though, they are not shy, but are tame. The fact that when  
> foraging
> they sit for long periods of time pecking and flaking bark adds to the
> difficulty of finding them as they are not hyper-kinetic creatures,  
> but on
> the other hand once found you get good looks. Playback works on  
> Magellanic
> Woodpeckers, and from my experience leading birding tours  
> throughout the
> Americas works pretty much on all woodpeckers. If there are Ivory- 
> bills in
> Arkansas, they will come in to playback eventually!
> 	Using Magellanics as a model for temperate Campephilus behavior, I
> am sure that a single bird or a pair or two in a large forest would be
> found. I realize that this model may be entirely flawed, but it's  
> the best I
> can do to assess the Arkansas situation. There is very little  
> probability
> that a hypothetical single or pair of Magellanics could evade 2  
> years of
> searching, particularly by experienced birders as the Ivory-billed  
> as done.
> I assume that the searchers are using playback, if Ivory-billed is in
> Arkansas it will eventually come in to playback - this is just what
> woodpeckers do. If they are not using playback, particularly when  
> the leads
> were hot early on in this, I would wonder why. I want to be a  
> believer, but
> my familiarity with other Neotropical Campephilus, and my general  
> experience
> making a living finding birds for people leads me to believe that  
> all birds
> are findable given enough time. Two years is a long time. I realize  
> that
> there have been various sight records, potential recordings and the  
> infamous
> video, but if a single Magellanic was out there in a large forest I  
> am sure
> that after two years someone would have a good photo of it.
> 	I do think that given the potential for having Ivory-billed in
> Arkansas, the money used to buy up those forests was wisely spent.  
> I also
> think that Cornell and the Nature Conservancy have worked the media  
> well in
> this case and have gotten a lot of people who have never thought  
> much about
> birds interested in the story, and perhaps even a bit more  
> interested in
> understanding issues such as habitat loss and extinction. Much of  
> the money
> raised for this issue probably would never have gone to  
> conservation had it
> not been for the Ivory-billed Woodpecker's drawing power. I don't  
> think that
> the Ivory-billed got a chunk of the pie it didn't deserve; my guess  
> is that
> it helped to increase the size of the pie and that is good. This  
> issue will
> likely always remain grey, and will never be resolved. The available
> evidence is not conclusive for the existence of the Ivory-billed, but
> neither can anybody prove that it wasn't there two years ago. I do  
> think
> that given the searching effort thus far, the bird is no longer  
> there if it
> ever was there to begin with. Like I said, all birds are findable  
> if you
> look hard enough. The Ivory-billed search may be the most concentrated
> effort to find a bird ever, and it has not come up with conclusive  
> evidence.
>
>
> Al
>
> Alvaro Jaramillo
> chucao AT coastside.net
> Half Moon Bay, CA
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