If an architect designs a building with the help of a noted structural
engineer and a number of assistants, is it his work or the work of the team.
Usually the architect is given credit.
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From: "Carrol Cox" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Whose poem this is I think I know
>> "Loucks, James" wrote:
>> I think Pound and Hayward were very different "cats" in TSE's
>> menagerie, partly because they emerged in quite different phases of
>> TSE's life.
> My only point in referencing Hayward was to illustrate the kind of
> 'help' that probably most poets look for from friends (or even enemies,
> as Pope notes*), and which certainly do not make the friend a co-author.
> This does not establish that Pound _is_ a co-author, but it does
> differentiate the TWL case as not merely an instance of a general
> Consider a hypothetical case. Supposedly, Pound reduced _In a Station in
> the Metro_ from an original draft of sixteen lines to the present two
> lines. Suppose that it had not been Pound himself but Eliot (or Yeats)
> that had done most of the cutting? _Then_ we would have had a better
> parallel to what Pound did for TWL but which (I assume) Hayward did NOT
> do for 4Q. (Or which Donne's friends did not do for his mss.)
> In reference to Marcia's subject line. It's Eliot's poem -- but I don't
> think Eliot's poem came fully into existence until Pound discovered it.
> Eliot himself had not quite realized what he had wrought. That is
> different from other forms of help given by one poet to another.
> *I forget now which passages in which poems, but some of Pope's
> revisions in his poems were in response to criticisms written by