Please stay with us.  Your information is important - remember there are 
many others of us out here that depend on your information to enrich our 
birding, and are not part of the negativity.  I think there are negative 
people in every group and we just have to ignore them.
Mariel Stephenson
Columbia,  Boone County, MO
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From: "Patrick Harrison" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: Chasers are scum...


>I must agree with Doug...
>
> If WE as a group cannot be respectful of one another, it is time to leave
> this listserve or create another that limits its participants to 
> BIRDING...
>
> By that, I mean REPORTING birds.
>
> ALL other issues would be for another list...
>
> I am considering just unsubscribing...
>
> NO this is NOT just a gut reaction to the posts of late that have been
> passionate about the use of GAS...
>
> This is about a community of individuals that CHOOSE to JUDGE others based
> upon "HOW FAR FROM HOME THEY BIRD"...
>
> THIS IS A COMMUNITY WHOSE MEMBERSHIP EXCLUDES ME...
>
> Later folks...
>
> Someone call me when this silliness subsides...
>
> Patrick
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> Shelbyville, Shelby County, Missouri
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: MO Wild Bird Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Doug Willis
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 6:18 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Chasers are scum...
>
> I still bird like a madman, but I doubt I will post much to mobirds 
> anymore.
> I have been labelled "elitist," for forming social bonds related to 
> birding
> outside the listserve (and not posting much) AND flamed as the cause of
> environmental decline when I do post my birding activities to the list. I
> realize that only a few high-strung listserve members are responsible, but 
> I
> am not quite comfortable sharing my adventures on this listserve
> nonetheless...Besides, once you get over the initial disbelief,
> counter-flaming others on the list is kind of fun...
> I would favor a seperation of "listers" vs. a "chatroom", much like 
> Michigan
> does. In my opinion, more structure is needed.
> Gas prices can go up to 5 bucks a gallon and I will still get out and
> bird...alone when I feel like it. Go ahead and flame away!!...
> Here's a news flash: Every lister in the U.S. could stop using automobiles
> right now and it would have no effect whatsoever on our dependence on 
> fossil
> fuels, looking at the bigger picture.
> An automobile symbolizes "freedom," "mobility," "self-determination," 
> maybe
> "independence" to me (and the vast majority of Americans, I would think).
> These are core American values. Environmentalists shoot themselves in the
> foot when they attack core American values (driving a car, flood control,
> harassing Paula Zahn's kids in the name of "Pale Male", etc...) Perhaps
> advocating strongly for a different technology regarding automobiles would
> resonate with core America right now. For example, rather than browbeating
> people for driving too much, embrace the need by saying "get politically
> involved in the effort to develop different modes of locomotion and you 
> can
> have your freedom back!! (Freedom equals driving liberally and cheaply) 
> Oh,
> I am fairly certain that Mr. Koller meant that being able to see an out of
> range bird is "a gift...", NOT the hurricane itself!"
> Don't expect a response to all the on and offlist flames, either...
> Doug Willis
> Kansas City, MO
>
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