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Re: [BIRDCHAT] End of Ivory-billed Controversy - Bizarre!

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Chris Hobbs <[log in to unmask]>

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Vocalizations represent indisputable 'physical' evidence. Physical evidence always carries more weight than (fallible) human sight records. I believe most everyone believed the woodpeckers existed based on the number of credible sight records, but the video was dicey enough to question whether it represented indisputable physical evidence. The bird's existence is now confirmed. The questionable, blurry video is a moot point. The birding and ornithological community can re-unite without conflicts and doubts about the physical evidence of Ivory-billed Woodpeckers. Now that it's settled, why must we pick at the scab?

Chris Hobbs
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----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Fisher <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2005 11:21 am
Subject: Re: [BIRDCHAT] End of Ivory-billed Controversy - Bizarre!

> Below, FYI, I am copying something I posted to the BIRDCHAT, which
> has already drawn a lot of replies, some pro, some con and some
> not understanding my point. Before reading it, please be assured
> that I am not finding fault with Messrs. Jackson, Prum and
> Robbins, who wisely did not publish, and who should not be
> criticised for something they did not do.
>
> This whole discussion has been somewhat bizarre. First, we are
> told that
> Jackson, Prum and Robbins are going to publish a paper challenging
> the
> conclusion that the bird in a brief, blurry video is an IBWO. As a
> result,
> lots of subscribers to this [i.e. to BIRDCHAT] and other birding
> lists get themselves into a
> dither, and refutations of the non-paper appear on line before it
> even gets
> printed. Then we are told that two of the authors of the still-
> unpublished
> paper, Prum and Robbins, have heard some Cornell sound recordings
> and
> pronounced that not one but two IBWO's really do exist in
> Arkansas. As a
> result, everyone -- or at least nearly everyone -- suddenly
> seems to be
> satisfied that IBWO still lives after all.
>
> Who are Jackson, Prum and Robbins that they can turn the hopes and
> emotions
> of the birding community off and on like a light switch without
> actually
> publishing anything? Has either Prum or Robbins ever heard an
> Ivory-billed
> Woodpecker? I doubt it. How is it then that their decree about the
> sound
> recordings is given such weight? Meanwhile, what has happened to
> the value
> of 16 recent sight observations of a male IBWO in Arkansas? Have
> reports
> that Cornell's sound recordings persuaded Prum and Robbins to pull
> their unpublished
> paper given back to the sight observers a credibility that leaks
> about the paper took away?
>
> It is time to blame a usual suspect -- "the media." Please note
> that the
> principal sources for much of the now-ended "Ivory-bill
> Controversy" were
> newspaper stories. I'm all for a constitutionally-protected free
> press. It
> must be allowed to do its job (selling newspapers). But the time
> and place
> for evaluating scientific claims is when they actually are
> published and
> answered in respected scientific journals. It's a frustratingly
> slow process
> sometimes. But the end result is more reliable.
>
> Bob Fisher
> Independence, Missouri
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