I trust you've read or seen TOM AND VIV.
CallaHeidi Fireman wrote:
>Thanks for responding Nancy....as for what I found valuable in the book:
>it's portrayal of the day to day life a Nobel prize winning poet of the
>era; it gave a personal glimpse of the professional rivalries with other
>writers, and groups of writers of the time; it gave a vivid picture of a
>very sad, pitiable marriage and at the same time, revealed the extent to
>which Vivienne was not only TSE's muse for his greatest works but that
>she was an extremely clever writer herself; it also gave a glimpse of
>the mores of the time vis a vis marriage and the social cost of
>separating; it showed the avant garde nature of open marriage and its
>effects on those that participated in it; it gave insight into TSE's
>need to write when it said that he wrote out of pain (I forget the exact
>expression that was used, it's Friday afternoon and my brain is tired),
>and I found it interesting that he never wrote another thing after his
>second marriage, or at least nothing really important. This begs the old
>question: does the artist have to suffer in order to write? Or to
>create? If he had been wiser about his marriage choice, would TSE still
>have been the great poet he became, or was his bad marriage just a bad
>itch that needed a lot of scratching? Would he have messed up any other
>marriage just as badly and still ended up a Nobel Prize Winning Poet?
>I also liked the honesty with which it was written, mentioning a lot of
>not so flattering traits both TSE and Vivienne had. I found it
>interesting that it mentioned TSE got married very quickly so as not to
>take time to do otherwise, perhaps some insight into a weak person's
>soul, hard to say.
>Also, I had a dictionary in hand, and found the book incredibly
>enteraining, their lives were intense as well as utterly disturbing.
>All for now,
>From: T. S. Eliot Discussion forum. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>Behalf Of Nancy Gish
>Sent: July 8, 2005 12:02 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: The Painted Shadow
>You're right that mid-summer tends to be a down time. I think Painted
>Shadow is fascinating, but you will find many readers will attack it
>because Seymour-Jones does make mistakes. She often simply identifies
>poetic voices with Eliot himself (and may be right but does not
>demonstrate that she is), and assumes things she cannot or does not
>On the other hand, she found masses of new material, and when she cites
>it, it is important and illuminating. I'd be interested in what
>especially you found valuable and interesting.
>>>>[log in to unmask] 07/08/05 10:23 AM >>>
>I am new to this list and was sort of hoping for some lively discussion
>on TSE and his works but so far I've only received two emails in two
>days! Maybe everyone is on vacation.
>What got me interested in subscribing was the book, the bio of TSE's
>first wife Vivienne, which I am sure many of you have read. I found it
>just astonishing! The detailed research, the personal anecdotes and
>inside information, albeit gossip, was an impressive bit of work. I
>thoroughly enjoyed it in all its intensity. And it inspired me to read
>the Waste Land.
>Ok, I've said enough for now, and look forward to hearing comments from
>others who have read The Painted Shadow.
>Calla (Ottawa, Canada)
>Calla H. Fireman
>Assistant to the Director, SRM
>Foreign Affairs Canada
>219 Laurier Ave., 11th floor, Room 1166
>Ottawa, ON K1P 5J6
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