Jim,
Thanks for the info.  I wonder if there was any discussion of this with
the birding community?  I'll bet birders would have volunteered to clean
on a routine basis, if asked.  Does anyone know if attempts to establish
a rapport between the building residents and birders was made?
Edge
On Friday, December 10, 2004, at 10:02 AM, Jim wrote:

> Edge, the report I saw on NBC said the managers of the building did not
> like
> the droppings from the hawks, and the debris from pigeon kills
> (feathers and
> bones and the like).  Pale Male had become quite proficient in killing
> pigeons, which was the main part of his diet.  He taught his offspring
> how
> to attach pigeons and capture them from the air so they were learning
> some
> new skills not ordinarily attributable to redtails.  As long as the food
> source is there and Pale Male's long history in the area, I suspect he
> will
> take up residence at another location in the area.  Jim Fossard
>
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> Edge Wade
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> I've read many posts on this subject.  Nowhere have I seen a statement
> of what prompted the building's cooperative board to make what they
> surely knew would be a highly publicized controversial decision.
>
> Has any attempt been made to address the "problem" the board perceived?
>
> The removal of the pigeon spikes as well as the nest seems odd if they
> are just wanting to rid the building of unwanted birds.
>
> Something else is afoot here.  Perhaps the problem was not Pale Male and
> Lola, themselves, but the virtually constant focus of binoculars, scopes
> and cameras upon the building (and therefore, by perception, on the
> non-avian residents).
>
> It is quite possible that the decision to remove the nest is due to
> birders, not the birds.
>
> Perhaps once more, "We have met the enemy and they is us."
>
> Edge Wade
> Columbia, MO
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> On Friday, December 10, 2004, at 07:57 AM, Susan Eaton wrote:
>
>> This morning, there was a feature about Pale Male on Good Morning,
>> America.
>> They showed some great film clips of the bird in flight, and feeding
>> the
>> babies in the nest.  A guy from the NYC Audubon was interviewed.  He
>> said
>> Pale Male is trying to re-build a nest, but it won't be successful
>> because
>> the anti-pigeon spikes have been removed.  This bird is a real
>> celebrity!
>>
>> Susan Eaton
>> Kirkwood, St. Louis CO., MO
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