Frequently when people try to assert their own beliefs in words
it is a sign that they need to validate their own beliefs by getting
others into their particular religiosity's corral. People secure in
their beliefs don't need to do that. Some of the most fascinating
religious discussions of the 20th Century were between GK Chesterton
and George Bernard Shaw. Shaw even said GKC's book on him [Shaw] was
about the best around. When people are secure in their own religion,
the positive dynamic of their faith is an attraction of great strength.
No pushiness is needed. It comes from the heart, and has a universality
to it, even when the words are different from one's own. Gandhi would
be a good example. I personally encountered several souls like
that at St. Michael's University College in Toronto in the early
1960s. Ettienne Gilson, Marshall McLuhan, and Jacques Maritain,
among others, were very memorable. They have had a life
long effect on me. Eliot had a similar effect although not in person.
From: Vishvesh Obla
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: 2004-Nov-10 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: (OT) To criticize Religion : a case study with two online
"One can discuss religion
and meaniingfully very easily, on this site or any.
The problem comes
one violates respect by trying to proselytise, or even
While 'discussion' of religion itself could create a
difference as that, what impact would it have when it
is practised? I think it is a shame to man's
integrity itself, to impose a personal belief, based
on a personal faith, without having any 'respect' for
a fellow human being (or a 'Pagan' and a 'Kafir' for
--- Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Sometimes it is a question of style. One can discuss
> religion intelligently
> and meaniingfully very easily, on this site or any.
> The problem comes when
> one violates respect by trying to proselytise, or
> even playing
> Remember the bit about taking the lowest place at
> the table? He who exalts
> The truth, as I believe, may indeed be one, but each
> of us has VERY limited
> perspectives on it. By all means we should cherish
> our perspectives, and
> share the
> values they bring to our lives. The simple truth is,
> we can't make others
> see our
> perspectvies. Some may if they want to, but even
> then there is no way
> to share the perspective exactly.
> Sorry to sermonise.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Gray" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 10:02 AM
> Subject: Re: (OT) To criticize Religion : a case
> study with two online
> > Thanks for passing this along. Religious freedom
> is very important, just
> like the exchanges we've had on the list over the
> past week or so. If any of
> us were an ideological dictator, life would be
> awful. Part of the beauty of
> America is that people are allowed to disagree with
> each other and even with
> government policies. Freedom of speech is a
> beautiful thing. Of course, true
> freedom of speech is the ability always to say the
> right thing, something
> each person no doubt longs for. I wish I had that
> kind of freedom!
> > Best wishes,
> > Will
> > >>> [log in to unmask] 11/09/04 12:18PM >>>
> > I came across these two online petitions today. I
> > think it is a very important issue on both sides
> > it, for it involves faith on one hand, and liberty
> > the other. More than the question 'Is religion
> > criticism', I think it raises certain fundamental
> > issues on the nature of religious issues today. I
> > believe it would concern us all here for we are
> > concerned with 'expression' in general and its
> > on human life.
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