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MOBIRDS-L  September 2004, Week 5

MOBIRDS-L September 2004, Week 5

Subject:

Re: On and off-line responses about the gull issue

From:

Lynn Miller <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

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Date:

Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:52:35 -0500

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Quoting Robert Fisher <[log in to unmask]>:

> Hi Lynn:
>
> I don't think you need to withhold argument relating to wild birds  from the
> list, if it avoids personal attack, name-calling, etc. and otherwise falls
> within list guidelines.
>
> Right now, the list must be fatigued with arguments about the gull issue, so
> I don't advise too many more of those. Unfortunately, Susan Gustafson's post
> describing Mark Robbins' reasons for taking the gull, followed by silence on
> a weary list, leaves the impression that everyone now agrees his action was
> justified. That may communicate to him and to his supporters that they have
> won and have a green light to do it again.

Good point.  The biggest complaint I have is that we have removed ourselves so
much for nature that if this would not have caused the controversy, science &
nature both would be lost.

 Everyone who knows Mark Robbins
> likes him personally and recognizes his many contributions to Missouri
> ornithology.  No one wants a whole lot of people to be mad at each other.

This still does not justify the collection of the bird for 'scientific
purposes.'

 I
> have suggested a compromise that would at least assure that KU won't have a
> green light to collect another rare bird  that people are watching in
> Missouri and have asked Edge Wade and/or Susan Gustafson to try to
> negotiate it with Mark privately. Neither has responded to me as yet.

Your outline was excellent as usual.

 If the
> matter cannot be resolved privately within our birding/ornithology
> community, I suppose those of us who are still unhappy will be left with no
> alternatives but to accept an unhappy situation or to try to do something
> about it some other way.

We should never accept the situation quietly.  Too often nowdays, we are
unwilling to step on toes, because of our fragile human egos.  I am unwilling
to stop fighting for what I see is right, no matter the cause, but in the right
manner.

I was once told a story but then Sec. of State in Wisc. Doug LaFollette.  If we
compromise on a 500 acre tract, and give 1/2 of the land to the developer, all
are happy.  10 years later, if we compromise on that 250 acre tract, giving 1/2
to the developer, all are happy again, 50-50 win!  After another 10 years, we
give 1/32 yet again to the developer.  We both win again! 50-50 win!

So now, 30 years later, we are left with 62.5 acres of what was once 500 acres
of prime habitat.  This happens all too often in the name of "compromise."
Several people, have responded to me offline that they agree, the bird should
not have been 'harvested' for scientific purposes.

I feel better knowing this...
>
> I, for one, am not happy with the way the issue stands at present, will
> welcome off-list comments about it and will describe my proposed compromise
> off list to anyone who wants to know what it is.

Too often compromise makes the bad guys smell lke roses.  LOOK we have
compromised to meet 1/2 way!  Yes, and WE have comprimosed, and LOST 1/2 of
what we had.

Thank you for the timely & polite response, Bob.

Good birding to all.

Lynn Miller
Lone Jack,MO
Jackson Co

>
> Bob Fisher
> Independence, Missouri
> [log in to unmask]
>
>


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