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MOBIRDS-L  September 2004, Week 4

MOBIRDS-L September 2004, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Open Letter To the Smithville Collectors, thank you!

From:

Lynn Miller <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

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Date:

Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:16:03 -0500

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I was not here yesterday, so I did not know the full extent of the situation
until today...As a biologist with many years doing Ornithological studies, I
almost took the gull for granted.  I was and am lucky enough to see the
black-backed gulls in their native habitat (the UP of michigan).  As a current
science teacher, chores/duties often take away my time to bird.  I have come to
rely upon Mobirds as my surogate birding friends/sitings.

I am completely apalled that someone(s) would take the bird for their
scientific gain.  Whomever did this should think about a different career,
because we in the birding community DO NOT take birds for personal gain.  I am
telling all of my science students about this atrocity because this will help
me feel better, and I want my students to be aware of just how precious life
is, even if they are not involved.

Whomever you are, may I find you sometime in a VERY dark alley.  DNA sampling
would be the LEAST of your problems!!  I will NEVER again take a bird for
granted...

Edge, again, I thank you for your passionate response, and may I humbly walk
side by side with you in our quest for greater bird knowledge.

Lynn miller
lone Jack,MO
Jackson Co Quoting Edge Wade <[log in to unmask]>:

> I am an avid birder.
>
> I support documentation of bird sightings to further our knowledge and
> understanding (two very different things) of birds and bird occurrence.
>
> I understand and support the value of having skins available for
> examination and, now, for DNA analysis to determine relationships and
> distribution.
>
> But, I can't help but think that the Smithville incident (and it was no
> accident) was a case of the means justifying the end.  Yup, because you
> could, you did.
>
> What scientific value is it to know the precise DNA sequence of a single
> vagrant gull?
>
> None.
>
> Only when many vagrant gulls have been killed and analyzed might a
> pattern emerge to tell us...?  What?  That certain gulls with certain
> DNA sequences tend to be vagrants?
>
> Of course, someone may get a great (?) publication out of this.  Publish
> or perish--oops, I guess that's really perish to publish, isn't it.
>
> The whole thing reminds me of an important admonition to children:
>
> Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
>
>
> I am not a squeamish old lady.  I am not anti-science (or anti-hunting).
>
> I am anti-hubris.  The killing of anything to enhance one's prestige is
> simply hubris in its baldest form.
>
> However, I am a reasonable person--some of the time.
>
> I'm open to persuasion.  Please, convince me that the Smithville
> incident has an intrinsic merit.  I've just given reasons why I (and I
> believe many within the birding community) don't think it does.
>
> Please, rebut!  Give us reasons to accept, if not to rejoice.  Give us
> reasons to understand, not just to condone.
>
> Give us reasons to be proud to be a part of this community, not to be
> ashamed of it.
>
> Edge Wade
> Columbia, MO
> [log in to unmask]
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