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MOBIRDS-L  July 2004, Week 4

MOBIRDS-L July 2004, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Cackling Goose

From:

Edge Wade <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Edge Wade <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:34:07 -0500

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Charlene,
This is not a dumb question!  Perhaps a pundit can explain the wisdom of
selecting one [former] subspecies name to apply to a complex of
subspecies that [now] comprise a separate species.

I've seen and heard the [former] Cackling Goose in north central
California, their primary wintering area.  They do not sound like
Richardson's we get in good numbers here in the winter.  Their
vocalizations are very perceptively higher pitched.

Simple logic and provision for minimizing confusion, especially given
the volumes of material that prior to July 2004 use "Cackling" to refer
to a single identifiable subspecies, should have been sufficient for the
AOU committee to arrive at a name that refers to the new species without
using any one of the prior subspecies names.

In the defense of the AOU committee, perhaps there is some precedent
that we less informed do not know, something that indicated
overwhelmingly that a confusing name would be better--there is that
thing about the first name given to a species taking precedence over any
other, even though the newer name may be less confusing or more correct
as a descriptive (probably a hangover from the old primogeniture
rule--the eldest son gets it all).

Edge Wade
Columbia MO
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On Sunday, July 25, 2004, at 04:25 PM, Charlene and Jim Malone wrote:

> My understanding (from reading other listservers discuss this anyway &
> well,
> I see also as Dr. E said) is that the way of the AOU, so goes ABA and
> most,
> if not all, states' record committees, so the tick, the changes to the
> checklists, etc are immediate.
> ALSO, any "Cackling geese" (Richardson's geese) seen in the past on
> one's
> list can
> be grandfathered in since this is not an introduced species.
>
> I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong on this.
>
> My question is.........
> I am having with a  problem with the nomenclature though. The "minima"
> subspecies is called the Cackling goose because of the
> vocalization/call. So
> do the Richardson's subspecies also have a similar vocalization? If
> not, why
> is this being used as the name of this new split?
> I know.........don't ask dumb questions.
>
>
> Happy ticking,
> Charlene Malone
> St. Louis co.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Lade" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 12:12 PM
> Subject: Cackling Goose
>
>
>> So, how long before we all get another "tick" on our bird lists!
>>
>> Now that the AOU has "split" it out.
>> When the ABA does the same, when the Missouri Birds Record Committee
>> say
> OK,
>> etc.
>> Or shall we wait until they "split out" three or four or
>> five......more!
>>
>> Larry Lade
>> Saint Joseph, Buchanan County
>>
>
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