I echo Mike's message regarding starlings.  I have had the same issue near Fordland.

Andrew Kinslow

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> Subject: MOBIRDS-L Digest - 3 Apr 2004 to 4 Apr 2004 (#2004-95)
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 20:00:02 -0500
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> There are 22 messages totalling 1031 lines in this issue.
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> Topics of the day:
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>   1. WGNSS Trip 4/03
>   2. Prairie Chickens
>   3. Audubon Field Trip
>   4. -watch out for peewee vocals in early spring
>   5. Fellows Lake 4/3
>   6. Fish crows Montrose CA (3)
>   7. Fish Crow-Franklin Co: 4/3
>   8. Weston Bend SP 4/3
>   9. fish crow
>  10. Red-breasted Nuthatch
>  11. Crows & juncos
>  12. nesting Fish Crows
>  13. Pewees
>  14. Red Throated Loon at Fellow's Lake North of Springfield
>  15. Missouri Bird Alert--4 April 2004
>  16. Great Horned in TGP (2)
>  17. LCCL Sparrows and Snakes
>  18. Springfield Area 4/4  RED THROATED LOON and others
>  19. Thanks Jean Leonatti
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> Subject: WGNSS Trip 4/03
> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 20:04:44 -0600
> From: David Becher <[log in to unmask]>
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> We went to Busch/Weldon Springs in St. Charles Co. today.  On the Lost Valley Trail had lots of Yellow-throated Warblers and Louisiana Waterthrushes.  Also Blue-gray Gnatcatcher and a variety of Woodpeckers.  Busch itself was less productive in part because it was very busy.  There were Bonaparte's Gulls, Tree Swallows, etc.  The Blue Grosbeak trail produced a Harris Sparrow at the usual spot, but there was no sign of the Spotted Towhee there or at Lake 21.
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> Subject: Re: Prairie Chickens
> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 20:46:19 -0600
> From: "Schiffel, Lee (UMC-Student)" <[log in to unmask]>
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> We left Columbia this morning taking the birders' direct route through Hi-Lonesome Prairie to Kansas City.  Arriving at the prairie about 10:30 I did not hold much hope of seeing the prairie chickens but we were able to find three on the hillside.  They were in the pasture across the road (Hi-Lonesome Road) from the north boundary of the prairie.
>
> We also spent some time watching a kestrel hovering over the prairie.  But the most endearing sight of the trip was watching a "timber doodle" shepherd her 4 young chicks across a gravel road on the north side of Friendly Prairie.  Those little walking balls of fluff were a joy to see!
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> Anybody see any around Sedalia lately?
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> Judy
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> Subject: Audubon Field Trip
> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 20:53:14 -0600
> From: Michael & Jo Ellen Thelen <[log in to unmask]>
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> The St. Louis Audubon Society's field trip today to Horseshoe Lake, Madison
> County, Illinois, was enjoyed by about 16 birders.  Leader Torrey Berger
> will soon be posting the results of the day.
>
> Not trying to steal his thunder here, but the group heard repeated
> vocalizations consistent with EASTERN WOOD-PEWEE.  We were not able to
> confirm with a visual, but the pewee sound was heard several times, in the
> same wooded area, by different people.  This was along the campground trail
> on the island.
>
> On the way home from Busch C.A. (St. Charles County, Missouri), I saw a
> RED-TAILED HAWK carrying an EASTERN GRAY SQUIRREL at low altitude over I-64
> in St. Louis County.  The hawk was being harassed by two crows.
>
> Mike Thelen
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> Subject: -watch out for peewee vocals in early spring
> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 22:39:12 EST
> From: Mike Brady <[log in to unmask]>
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>  There is a good chance people hearing pee-wees this time of year are hearing
> starlings.They do a PERFECT peewee call.I mean perfect.Have had plenty of
> early "pee-wees " calling since Feb down at Castlewood which in all cases so far
> transmogrify into starlings.Basically ,unless you get a good visual on it this
> time of year and confirm without a doubt that it is indeed a peewee its more
> than likely a starling.
>  I know there are mucho starlings around that HorseShoe campground this time
> of year also
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> Subject: Fellows Lake 4/3
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 00:51:51 -0600
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> I got out to fellows lake for awhile today highlights were one BROAD-WING HAWK overhead and a few Chipping Sparrows in the fields.  There are now quite a few tree swallows in the area. There were also a lot of cormorants and AW pelicans migrating overhead.
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> Subject: Fish crows Montrose CA
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 08:47:42 -0500
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> We heard (and saw) three FISH CROWS at Montrose CA, 4/3/04.
>
> Is this a regular occurrence, a first or somewhere in between sighting for this area?
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> Guess we are suppose to document if a "Casual" event (away from Miss. River)
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> Subject: Fish Crow-Franklin Co: 4/3
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 07:01:25 -0700
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> Yesterday, while coming back from my parents in Washington County I stopped by Robertsville SP in Franklin Co. to look/listen for Henslow's Sparrow's--I did not hear or see any.  However, I did observe and hear 1-FISH CROW over the Meramec River while there.  That was a first for that area...
> In parent's yard-Washington Co:
> 4-Black and White Warblers
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> Josh Uffman
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> Subject: Weston Bend SP 4/3
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 09:29:31 -0500
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> I walked to the 0.5-mile marker on the bike trail at Weston Bend SP
> Saturday morning. Some of the migrants there:
>
> Brown Creepers
> Blue-gray Gnatcatchers - 4+
> Golden-crowned Kinglet - 4
> Ruby-crowned Kinglet - 1 (heard only)
> Louisiana Waterthrush - 5 singing
> Eastern Towhee - 3
>
> Also a very vocal Cooper's Hawk helping some American Crows mob a Great
> Horned Owl.
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> Subject: Re: Fish crows Montrose CA
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 10:07:57 -0500
> From: Bill Eddleman <[log in to unmask]>
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> Fish Crows are to be expected in the southern half of the state in
> association with big rivers (we changed this in the 2003 checklist
> revision). Any new occurrences locally in the southern half of the state
> should be reported to the appropriate seasonal editor for The Bluebird and
> North American Birds. Any occurrences north of the Missouri River &
> floodplain, or away from the Mississippi in northern Mo., should be
> documented (and please, any committee members correct me if this is not
> your impression).
>
> One notable exception is that we DO NOT have documentation for any nests of
> Fish Crow in Missouri. If anyone finds one, photograph or document it!
> Surely they do nest here (and apparently quite well if their recent spread
> is any indication), but no one has ever reported one.
>
> ----Bill Eddleman, Cape Girardeau
>
> At 08:47 AM 4/4/2004 -0500, Charlene and Jim Malone wrote:
> >We heard (and saw) three FISH CROWS at Montrose CA, 4/3/04.
> >
> >Is this a regular occurrence, a first or somewhere in between sighting for
> >this area?
> >
> >Guess we are suppose to document if a "Casual" event (away from Miss. River)
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> >
> >Charlene (I want my hour back!!) Malone
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> Subject: Re: Fish crows Montrose CA
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 10:36:36 -0500
> From: Robert Fisher <[log in to unmask]>
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> Charlene Malone asks how unusual Fish Crows are near Montrose CA.
>
> I recall that Chris Hobbs  (I believe Mark Robbins was with him)  reported
> Fish Crows near Clinton, MO two or three years ago. Clinton is also in Henry
> County and about 10 miles away (as the crow flies) from Montrose, CA. On
> July 12, 2003, I heard Fish Crows call repeatedly along the "Horton Road" in
> Vernon County, about 20 miles (as the crow flies) from Montrose CA. When I
> queried the list, one or more others responded that they had heard them
> there too.
>
> I think they are around, but it is hard to evaluate their frequency because
> some people do not report them and because the similarity of their call to
> the begging calls of juvenile American Crows always raises questions when
> someone does report them.
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> Subject: fish crow
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 10:52:35 -0500
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> Jim Jackson and I saw and heard fish crow at B.K. Leach CA on 4/1/04.
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> Subject: Red-breasted Nuthatch
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 12:09:56 EDT
> From: Pat Lueders <[log in to unmask]>
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> It was suggested that I report that the Red-breasted Nuthatch was still
> coming to my feeders Saturday, April 3rd, in Webster Groves but I'm not sure to
> whom I am to report.  We hear Fish Crows every week at the World Bird Sanctuary
> at Lone Elk Park in southwest St. Louis County.
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> Subject: Crows & juncos
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 11:38:05 -0500
> From: Bill Rowe <[log in to unmask]>
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> To respond to a couple of questions raised recently:
>
> 1) Bill Eddleman is quite right about the status of Fish Crows and in what
> cases they need documentation.  Per the 2003 checklist revision, the
> species is listed as "SR u (local, S & C rivers)". This was the best brief
> description that we could come up with of its complex and changing
> distribution. Obviously it isn't restricted entirely to rivers, so no one
> should be surprised if it shows up around other water areas. The key terms
> in the checklist are "S & C"; only Fish Crows in northern Missouri, well
> north of the Missouri and away from the Mississippi, need be documented.
> And remember what Bill said about nesting birds -- please document any such.
>
> Bob Fisher's point about identification is well taken. It is pretty easy to
> convince yourself that a young American Crow giving its nasal call is a
> Fish Crow.  Listen for the abrupt, staccato quality of the Fish Crow, and
> to be certain, wait till you hear the double-noted call, second note
> slightly lower (ah-ah or uh-uh or however you prefer to imagine it). If you
> listen to a Fish Crow long enough, it will give this call.
>
> 2) There is one accepted record of a Dark-eyed "Gray-headed" Junco (Junco
> hyemalis caniceps) in Missouri: Cat Foster provided fine photographs of a
> bird that resided on her property from December 2000 into April 2001. This
> is the junco whose breeding range is centered in the Colorado Rockies. It
> will probably be found again in Missouri.
>
> The committee also considered a sight record of a "Pink-sided" Junco (Junco
> hyemalis mearnsi, breeding distribution centered in Montana) but did not
> accept it due to the difficulties of being sure of its separation from
> other juncos without a good photograph, especially as a first state record.
> It may very well have been a Pink-sided, however, and it is likely that
> that form does occur occasionally.
>
> Both of these records were submitted to an outside expert (George
> Barrowclough, who has worked on the junco complex for many years) before
> the committee voted on them. Both of these forms might be moved to full
> species status in the future.
>
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> Subject: nesting Fish Crows
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 13:27:07 EDT
> From: Mike Brady <[log in to unmask]>
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>  I have had confirmed nesting FISH CROWS at Castlewood SP for at least 3
> years now but have no doubts they have been nesting in there much longer (saw a
> pair on nest/building nest this morn actually) They defintely seem to be
> increasing annually for the past 6 years anyway.One is more likely to hear a FISH
> CROW instead of an A-CROW at Castlewood this time of year.
>  Its not a bird I waste alot of census energy on  I have to admit.Cant say I
> get too excited about their increase ecspecially when one sees a dozen or more
> of them harassing a red-shoulder hawk incubating eggs.
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> Subject: Pewees
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 12:30:03 -0500
> From: Michael & Jo Ellen Thelen <[log in to unmask]>
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> Yes, I know that about pewees.  I made the point to the group.  Allow me to
> clarify, and I will speak only for myself:  I heard pewee-like sounds that
> were superficially convincing; however, I never saw one so I am unable to
> claim conclusively and indubitably that I had the species for the day.  It
> was an interesting encounter, nevertheless, so I decided to post it anyway.
> Don't worry, Mike, I'm not going to send in an earliest-North
> American-record to the committee.
>
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> Subject: Red Throated Loon at Fellow's Lake North of Springfield
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 14:48:15 -0500
> From: Sandra Elbert <[log in to unmask]>
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> Was ask to post that a Red Throated Loon was seen today
> on Fellow's Lake, just North of Springfield by Jean Leonatti,
> Charles Berwick, and Lisa Berger about 2pm.
>
> Sandra Elbert
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> Subject: Missouri Bird Alert--4 April 2004
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 15:29:25 -0500
> From: Edge Wade <[log in to unmask]>
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> Missouri
> Statewide
> 4 April, 2004
> MOST 04.04.04
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> Coverage:  Missouri Statewide
> Compiler and Transcriber:  Edge Wade
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> Compiled 4 April, 2004
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> Species included in this alert:
> RED-THROATED LOON
>
> This is the Sunday, 4 April, 2004,  Missouri Bird Alert, a statewide
> service of the Audubon Society of Missouri, serving the birding
> community of Missouri since 1901.  The bird alert is compiled from
> reports submitted by ASM members and other birders throughout the state.
>
> A RED-THROATED LOON was found today (Sunday, 4 April) near the dam at
> Fellows Lake, Greene Co., by Jean Leonatti.  Charley Burwick called to
> report that others were viewing it this afternoon (2:20 and still there
> at 3:20)
>
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> Subject: Great Horned in TGP
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 15:18:12 -0500
> From: David Scheu <[log in to unmask]>
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> Saw two great horned owl fledglings in Tower Grove Park, St. Louis.
> They were on the ground for a couple of days, but as of Friday had made
> it up into the trees.  Saw them yesterday across the park road and a
> little west of the stables.  One was in a blooming saucer magnolia near
> the creek; the other in a larger tree with low branches nearby.  A
> parent kept watch from one of the pines.
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> A few photos at www.urbanworkshop.us/TGP/
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> Dave Scheu
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> Subject: Re: Great Horned in TGP
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 16:10:40 -0500
> From: R Bailey <[log in to unmask]>
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> Ditto at Forest Park:
>
> Two great horned owl fledglings and nearby parent that's keeping watch from
> one of the Cypress trees. These birds are located just southwest of the "guy
> on a horse with binoculars" bronze sculpture (this is near the Lindell and
> Union exit).
>
> Bob Bailey
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> >From: David Scheu <[log in to unmask]>
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> >Subject: Great Horned in TGP
> >Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 15:18:12 -0500
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> >Saw two great horned owl fledglings in Tower Grove Park, St. Louis.
> >They were on the ground for a couple of days, but as of Friday had made
> >it up into the trees.  Saw them yesterday across the park road and a
> >little west of the stables.  One was in a blooming saucer magnolia near
> >the creek; the other in a larger tree with low branches nearby.  A
> >parent kept watch from one of the pines.
> >
> >A few photos at www.urbanworkshop.us/TGP/
> >
> >Dave Scheu
> >St. Louis, MO
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> Subject: Re: LCCL Sparrows and Snakes
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 16:30:37 -0500
> From: Mary Anne <[log in to unmask]>
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> A brief afternoon sortie to LCCL produced the following species:
> Vesper Sparrows, several right on the driving range road near the bend.
> Fox , Swamp and Song Sparrows.
> Blue-Winged Teal
> Snipe
> and 4 or 5 Snakes
> 2 or 3 King Snakes, one about 5 feet long.
> 1 large Rat Snake and a Ribbon Snake.
>
> I was assisted in locating one of the King Snakes with the help of the
> resident driving range dog.
>
> Mary Anne Auer
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> Subject: Springfield Area 4/4 RED THROATED LOON and others
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 19:27:15 -0500
> From: "Andrews, Matthew E" <[log in to unmask]>
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> Stopped by a few places in the springfield area today highlights were:
>
> Pond off YY:
>
> Blue Winged Teal- 15
> Snipe- 6
>
> Joe Crighton Access to James River:
>
> NORTHERN PARULA- 2 seen, few more heard
> YELLOW-THROATED WARBLER- 2 seen, one other heard
> LOUISIANNA WATERTHRUSH- 1
> WATERTHRUSH SP.- 1 these two birds were right by eachother for good comparison, the bird in question had a lot of yellow stain on the underparts but none on the head, and the louisianna had no yellow stain color.
> Yellow-Bellied Sapsucker- 3
> Eastern Phoebe- 1
> Northern Rough-winged Swallow- 5
> Fox Sparrow - 2
> Green winged teal- 4
> Wood Duck- 4
> Barred Owl- 1
> Coopers Hawk- 2
> Turkey- 2
>
> Fellows Lake:
>
> RED THROATED LOON- 1 as soon as I saw the post after I got back from the spots above I headed back out to fellows and was lucky enough to catch Charley and a few others before they left and was able to get great looks through their scopes, thanks!
>
> Lots of birds on the lake today including very large numbers of coots and horned grebes, also scaup, gadwall, and shoverler.
>
> Matt Andrews
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> Subject: Thanks Jean Leonatti
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 19:45:57 -0500
> From: Lisa Berger <[log in to unmask]>
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> Thanks Jean Leonatti,
>
> For calling the Springfield folks about the Red-throated Loon you found on
> Fellows Lake. I hadn't seen one in 20 years here, and it was a lifer for
> several who came out after you headed back. Good spotting and call.
>
> Lisa C. Berger
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