To add some more crap to the fast accumulating pile of crap, may I be
allowed to suggest that having a NATIVE SLAVIC ancestor is CULTURALLY
superior to having a representative of a NATIVE AMERICAN tribe in one's
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From: "Nancy Gish" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: TSE Digest - 9 Sep 2003 to 10 Sep 2003 (#2003-203)
> Dear Richard,
> I do know about the very different histories of native cultures after
> Europeans arrived, and I realize many retain sovereign nations and
> cultures. The largest "minority" in Maine is native American, and
> they also are sovereign--though that does not stop the state from
> intervening in water rights and fishing rights and causing conflicts.
> So you are right that I was too general in my statement. But it is
> true that Europeans took the land and that the United States is now
> a nation and a culture based on European (mainly British) legal,
> political, and cultural history. The native Americans own pockets of
> land and often struggle to sustain their ways of life (hence casinos,
> etc.). So "destroyed" may be too strong, but in comparison to the
> time before "we" (though I have a native American ancestor, I have
> no family history of the culture) came, it is probably not.
> Date sent: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:28:30 -0600
> Send reply to: "T. S. Eliot Discussion forum."
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> From: Richard Seddon <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: TSE Digest - 9 Sep 2003 to 10 Sep 2003
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> Which Native American culture are you referring to, the Navajo, the
> the Mescalero Apache, the Jicarilla Apache, the Hopi, the Santa
> the Jemez, the Zuni or some Peoples? The Navajo and the Taos
> languages as different as German and Italian. There are at least 5
> separate languages among the Puebloans. You are assuming a
> American culture that never existed except maybe in Hollywood.
> Furthermore, all Native Americans did not experience the total
> eradication that the Native Newfoundlanders did at the hands of the
> European Canadians.
> Many members of the tribes I listed live in their traditional culture and
> would very much resent it being dismissed as "destroyed".
> BTW: The sovereign tribes of the Navajo and the Hopi happen to be
> currently in a state of aggression towards each other. They are
> sufficiently sovereign to have "foreign" policies. Few puebloans like the
> Navajo and some actually prefer Anglo company to Navajo. Since I spent a
> significant part of my "growing up" time with the Navajo I sort of side
> with the Navajo but can understand the Puebloan point of view.
> Rick Seddon
> McIntosh, NM